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MacOSX-TeX Digest #1477 - Saturday, August 27, 2005
Re: First iteration of performance results
by "Alun J. Carr"
Re: [OS X TeX] Looking for someone still running a TeX from web2c 7.5.2
by "Michel Bovani"
Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
by "Jon Hanson"
Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop > Services > Mail
by "Herbert Schulz"
Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
by "Gerben Wierda"
TeX preformance testing, some qualitative results
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] TeX preformance testing, some qualitative results
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] documentclass undefined
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] documentclass undefined
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] documentclass undefined
by "Piet van Oostrum"
Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop > Services > Mail
by "Peter Dyballa"
New distribution of TeX
by "Jean-Claude DE SOZA"
Re: [OS X TeX] New distribution of TeX
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] New distribution of TeX
by "Gerben Wierda"
Any other surviving Textures users?
by "AES"
Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
by "philippe grandjean"
Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
by "Steffen Wolfrum"
Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
by "Stephan Hochhaus"
Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
by "Aaron Jackson"
Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
by "Bruno Voisin"
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Subject: Re: First iteration of performance results
From: "Alun J. Carr"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:17:53 +0100
12" PowerBook G4
1.5 GHz
1.25 GB RAM
Only Terminal and Finder running
pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
18.71 real 12.54 user 4.25 sys
Best regards,
Alun
=3D=3D
Dr Alun J. Carr Phone: +353-(0)1-716 1989
Mechanical Engineering Dept Fax: +353-(0)1-283 0534
University College Dublin WWW:
Belfield Email: alun.j.carr@ucd.ie (UCD)
Dublin 4 carraj@attglobal.net (Home)
Ireland
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Looking for someone still running a TeX from web2c 7.5.2
From: "Michel Bovani"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:43:45 +0200
Le 26/08/2005 16:25, Gerben Wierda a dit :
> I am looking for someone still running a TeX with web2c 7.5.2. You can=20
> check with
>=20
> pdftex --version
Mod=E8le d=92ordinateur: PowerBook G4 15"
Type de processeur: PowerPC G4 (3.2)
Nombre de processeurs: 1
Vitesse du processeur: 867 MHz
Cache de niveau 2 (par processeur): 256 Ko
Cache de niveau 3 (par processeur): 1 Mo
M=E9moire: 1 Go
Vitesse du bus: 133 MHz
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
TeXlive 7 (2002)
Vinci:~ mbova$ pdftex --version
pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.7x) 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211
kpathsea version 3.3.7
28.06 real 18.31 user 4.61 sys
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
TeXlive 2003
Vinci:~ mbova$ pdftex --version
pdfTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a
kpathsea version 3.5.2
32.32 real 25.01 user 5.30 sys
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
TeXlive 2004
Vinci:~ mbova$ pdftex --version
pdfeTeX 3.141592-1.20b-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
kpathsea version 3.5.3
56.57 real 45.47 user 7.46 sys
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
Sigh...
--=20
Michel Bovani
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
From: "Jon Hanson"
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:50:25 -0400
2 X 2.0 GHz G5 tower, 1 GB memory; 10.4.2
12.79 real 8.99 user 2.93 sys
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
Regards,
Jon Hanson
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop > Services > Mail
From: "Herbert Schulz"
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:16:31 -0500
On Aug 26, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Rohan Attele wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Text can be selected in pdf window and the mail send to does work
> from pdf window.
>
> Rohan Attele
>
>
Howdy,
Never realized that before (in spite of the `A' text selector - I
default to magnify) but the selection sure looks strange. I see that
I can copy the text and paste it into another document. I also wonder
why the Mail Services don't work with it. Hmmmm... I guess they also
don't work with selected text in the source file although the
Services are active when a selection is made in either one. Ok... I'm
TOTALLY wrong!
Good Luck,
Herb Schulz
(herbs@wideopenwest.com)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:01:26 +0200
Certainly, but I'll get back to that later. I am now finding about
about differences between TeX versions and OS versions and hardware.
Adding stuff like a normal tex run and such is in the works.
The reasons I chose this is that it is pretty stable in what is done.
G
On Aug 26, 2005, at 18:25, Claus Gerhardt wrote:
> Gerben,
>
> I wonder what this test should reveal except the performance of
> certain tex/hardware configurations in rebuilding formats. I doubt
> that the results allow conclusions how the same tex/hardware
> configuration will perform in actual typesetting of source files.
>
> Claus
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Subject: TeX preformance testing, some qualitative results
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:07:51 +0200
1. Performance is in line with what you would expect for single CPU
integer performance.
2. Systems using 10.3.9 seem to be a bit faster than systems using
10.4.2 (but see 3 below)
3. Systems with earlier versions of TeX are up to twice as fast in the
same configuration/setup
4. Caveats:
- Only format generation has been tested, not actual stuff like pdfTeX
or tex+dvips
- The actual result depens on local circumstances which are all
different (e.g. language patterns loaded)
Plan: Write a truely independent test setup, that only depends on the
binaries installed on the system.
I'll be back.
G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeX preformance testing, some qualitative results
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:21:23 +0200
On Aug 27, 2005, at 10:07, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> Plan: Write a truely independent test setup, that only depends on the
> binaries installed on the system.
truly.
G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] documentclass undefined
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:25:25 +0200
On Aug 26, 2005, at 16:40, Vince Filby wrote:
> Thanks for all your help so far.
>
> When reinstalling would it make any difference if I choose 2003 stable
> or 2004 stable with a basic install?
2004 stable is the one you shoul duse. 2003 is only there for backward
compatibility with some projects of some users and it is not considered
by me to be 'stable' as it shares parts of the 2004 setup.
However it is stable enough to work for normal use like yours.
But th 2004 version is the way to go.
G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] documentclass undefined
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:27:59 +0200
What happens when you say
alias | grep tex
G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] documentclass undefined
From: "Piet van Oostrum"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:37:22 +0200
>>>>> Bruno Voisin (BV) wrote:
>BV> Just to be sure: from the command-line, OS X is case-sensitive. It's =
/
>BV> usr/local/teTeX that you needed to remove.
This is not true:
ls -l /usr/local/tetex
total 88
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root admin 27 1 Jan 1970 README.* -> =
share/texmf.macosx/README.*
...
Only for filename completion and globbing it is case sensitive.
ls -l /usr/local/tet*
ls: /usr/local/tet*: No such file or directory
>BV> It's the Finder that goes to great length to make uppercase and =
lowercase
>BV> equivalent.
No, it's the file system itself. And you can have both case sensitive and
case insensitive filesystems at the same time AFAIK.
--
Piet van Oostrum
URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4]
Private email: piet@vanoostrum.org
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop > Services > Mail
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:53:38 +0200
Am 27.08.2005 um 00:27 schrieb Herbert Schulz:
> I can select words in Adobe Reader but still no Services there. Maybe=20=
> you need Acrobat to do that? But Acrobat might not do Services either?=20=
> I only have an older version of Acrobat.
Even with the newest version of Adobe Reader no text based service is=20
provided from a PDF file ... it's a bit reasonable to assume that Mail=20=
won't support services on selected graphics. How could this be turned=20
to an eMail address?! (With InkWell perhaps? Perhaps, perhaps,=20
perhaps.)
What was Friedrich Vosberg meaning when he wrote of TeX and PDF files?=20=
Friedrich, can you write us which kind of service failed for you?
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
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Pete o __o |__ o recumbo
___o /I -\<, |o \ -\),-% ergo sum!
___/\ /\___./ \___...O/ O____.....`-O-'-()--o_________________
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Subject: New distribution of TeX
From: "Jean-Claude DE SOZA"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:09:42 +0200
Bonjour Gerben,
I've just installed your new TeX distro which went smoothly but at my
first typesetting, I met this error : ! LaTeX Error: File
`lmodern.sty' not found.
I use the lmodern package.
I made a research in teTeX folder and didn't find any lmodern.sty as
previously.
Is it normal?
Jean-Claude DE SOZA
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New distribution of TeX
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:12:30 +0200
Le 27 ao=FBt 05 =E0 12:09, Jean-Claude DE SOZA a =E9crit :
> I made a research in teTeX folder and didn't find any lmodern.sty =20
> as previously.
> Is it normal?
Which TeX setup are you using (2003, 2004, 2005)? I'm using using the =20=
2005 one, and lmodern.sty is indeed there in /usr/local/teTeX/share/=20
texmf.tetex/tex/latex/lm/.
In the beginning the Latin Modern fonts weren't part of teTeX, and =20
the TeX i-Package installed them inside texmf.local. Then they were =20
included in teTeX. Accordingly, since around October 2004, they have =20
been installed in texmf.tetex.
Could you have one of the older setups, or a mixture of old and =20
recent setups?
What does "kpsewhich lmodern.sty" return? I get:
$ kpsewhich lmodern.sty
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/tex/latex/lm/lmodern.sty
(As an aside: please don't start a new thread by replying to a former =20=
one, it messes up threading in Mail -- and Thunderbird too I imagine.)
Bruno Voisin=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New distribution of TeX
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:56:28 +0200
Latin Modern is part of my distribution. There are however differences.
The 2004 and 2005 distribution use teTeX 3 and thus have latin modern
in /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex. The 2003 distribution uses teTeX
2 and therefore rely on adding gwTeX to get latin modern in
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/texmf.gwtex
So, if all is well, the only way you can get a distribution without
latin modern is when you select 2003 and you deselect gwTeX additions.
G
On Aug 27, 2005, at 12:09, Jean-Claude DE SOZA wrote:
> Bonjour Gerben,
>
> I've just installed your new TeX distro which went smoothly but at my
> first typesetting, I met this error : ! LaTeX Error: File
> `lmodern.sty' not found.
> I use the lmodern package.
> I made a research in teTeX folder and didn't find any lmodern.sty as
> previously.
> Is it normal?
> Jean-Claude DE SOZA
>
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Subject: Any other surviving Textures users?
From: "AES"
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:47:19 -0700
This message is primarily a "fishing expedition": I'm one of the
holdouts still happily using "Textures219d1", which I obtained from
Blue Sky not too many months ago, under Classic on OS 10.3.9, and
having just discovered this list, I'm simply attempting to see if
there are any others also still doing the same.
I'm not encountering any major problems (in speed or otherwise) in
continuing to use Textures, although printing typeset output directly
from Classic is still "iffy" with frequent PostScript error messages
(perhaps I don't have the right Classic driver for my HP 6MP
installed). Printing to a .ps file on the desktop, then opening that
file in Acrobat Standard 7.0 always works, however.
One minor problem when editing LaTeX source files with the "Flash"
and "LaTeX mode" options turned on are intermittent, seemingly random
dialog boxes that say
I'm having trouble with "myFile.aux" (in use)
If I click these boxes away, typesetting proceeds with no visible
problems -- just the occasional annoying interruptions every few
minutes. It's been suggested that this may result from some OS X
background application intermittently checking the open .aux file --
e.g., Spotlight, except I'm still in Panther and don't yet have
spotlight.
Any suggestions appreciated.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
From: "philippe grandjean"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:16:54 +0200
macmini 1,42 Ghz 512Mo memory 10.4.2
19.36 real 11.34 user 3.61 sys
pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3) (INITEX)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
From: "Steffen Wolfrum"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:12:51 +0200
Bruno Voisin wrote:
> Le 26 ao=FBt 05 =E0 16:35, Steffen Wolfrum a =E9crit :
>
> > finally ... sudo time ./tex-perf.sh
> >
> > 24.29 real 18.15 user 4.52 sys
>
> What did you do finally, that made this work? (Just to understand
> what was wrong in the first place.)
It was all about the ending of tex-perf. Without=20
any (.sh) it never worked. And - I really don't=20
know why - my version of safari 1.3 (OS 10.3.9)=20
ALLWAYS saved Gerben's link as a txt file=20
(reseting and erasing the cache didn't change=20
anything). So my first attempt was to re-name the=20
file to tex-perf.sh, but that made no difference.=20
It only worked when creating a new file and=20
saving it originally as tex-perf.sh. Well...
But the only thing that really makes me wonder=20
is, why am I the only one having these troubles=20
with that file? Is swear I never changed any=20
thing to Gerben's distro (paths, owner rights=20
etc:), so why do I not drive the same machine=20
that you all do?
Steffen
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
From: "Stephan Hochhaus"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:20:58 +0200
Am 27.08.2005, 21:12 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Wolfrum =20
:
> But the only thing that really makes me wonder is, why am I the only on=
e =20
> having these troubles with that file? Is swear I never changed any thin=
g =20
> to Gerben's distro (paths, owner rights etc:), so why do I not drive th=
e =20
> same machine that you all do?
I think I remember something similar happening to me. OS X' Finder is so =
=20
kind as to keep the ending of a file from you. If you cd into the =20
directory that holds the tex-perf file and issue an "ls -l" command, does=
=20
it list tex-perf or tex-perf.sh or does the file have a .txt ending?
Wehn I used Safari it put a txt-suffix to all textfiles downloaded and =20
also editors sometimes tend to append endings by default.
Stephan
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
From: "Aaron Jackson"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:21:13 -0400
On Aug 27, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Bruno Voisin wrote:
>
>> Le 26 ao=FBt 05 =E0 16:35, Steffen Wolfrum a =E9crit :
>>
>> > finally ... sudo time ./tex-perf.sh
>> >
>> > 24.29 real 18.15 user 4.52 sys
>>
>> What did you do finally, that made this work? (Just to understand
>> what was wrong in the first place.)
>
>
> It was all about the ending of tex-perf. Without any (.sh) it never=20
> worked. And - I really don't know why - my version of safari 1.3 (OS=20=
> 10.3.9) ALLWAYS saved Gerben's link as a txt file (reseting and=20
> erasing the cache didn't change anything). So my first attempt was to=20=
> re-name the file to tex-perf.sh, but that made no difference. It only=20=
> worked when creating a new file and saving it originally as=20
> tex-perf.sh. Well...
>
> But the only thing that really makes me wonder is, why am I the only=20=
> one having these troubles with that file? Is swear I never changed any=20=
> thing to Gerben's distro (paths, owner rights etc:), so why do I not=20=
> drive the same machine that you all do?
In the finder preferences->Advanced there is an option to show all file=20=
extensions. Is that checked on your system? If it isn't does it make=20=
a difference how the file is listed? It is possible that there was an=20
extension that was hidden, so tex-perf.sh reallyexisted as=20
tex-perf.text.sh or something similar.
Aaron
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] First iteration of performance results
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:01:28 +0200
Le 27 ao=FBt 05 =E0 21:12, Steffen Wolfrum a =E9crit :
> It was all about the ending of tex-perf. Without any (.sh) it never =20=
> worked. And - I really don't know why - my version of safari 1.3 =20
> (OS 10.3.9) ALLWAYS saved Gerben's link as a txt file (reseting and =20=
> erasing the cache didn't change anything). So my first attempt was =20
> to re-name the file to tex-perf.sh, but that made no difference. It =20=
> only worked when creating a new file and saving it originally as =20
> tex-perf.sh. Well...
>
> But the only thing that really makes me wonder is, why am I the =20
> only one having these troubles with that file? Is swear I never =20
> changed any thing to Gerben's distro (paths, owner rights etc:), so =20=
> why do I not drive the same machine that you all do?
I'm not sure that will help here, but anyway: to prevent problems =20
with extensions mixup, or when the Finder doesn't associate an =20
extension properly with a file type and/or with an application, I =20
would recommend rebuilding the Launch Services database routinely. =20
That's a bit similar to rebuilding the Desktop on OS 9 and below.
Before Tiger, that meant deleting the following files, user by user, =20
then restarting (or maybe just logging out/in, I didn't try):
/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.6B.csstore
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.UserCache.csstore
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.LaunchServices.plist
With Tiger the organization and naming of these files have changed =20
slightly: apart from the pref file, the cache files are now stored at =20=
a central repository, with names ending up with a user number:
/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices-*.csstore
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.LaunchServices.plist
Another possibility is that your shell uses some tailored =20
configuration files from your user directory (like a .profile for =20
bash). Is your shell bash or tcsh (that's defined in /Applications/=20
Utilities/NetInfo Manager, look at users then at your account)? Do =20
you have, by any chance, a ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist? I can't see =20
how these could be involved here, but who knows.
As to renaming the files in the Finder, when extensions are involved, =20=
never do this directly: when erasing for example an extension by =20
directly selecting the name in the Finder and editing it, then the =20
extension won't be actually erased, it will simply be hidden. You =20
need to use the Info window (Cmd-I, or File > Get Info).
Finally, regarding Safari: if I understood things correctly, for =20
standards-conforming web browsers, the action done when a file is =20
opened (visualized, downloaded, etc.) in a web page is no longer =20
determined by the browser (=E0 la Internet Explorer, in which you =20
define in the prefs -- or through Internet Config --, extension by =20
extension, what is done with the file, which application is used); =20
instead, it's determined by the configuration of the web server of =20
the web site you're visiting. I don't remember whether this mechanism =20=
works by MIME types or not, but in any case it should not use =20
extensions any longer.
That's why, for example, when you visit some web sites and click on a =20=
link associated with a .dmg file, the file is sometimes visualized as =20=
a text file in a browser window (giving only garbage) instead of =20
being downloaded: the server of the site is improperly configured and =20=
doesn't tell the browser what a .dmg file is; in that case, the =20
default interpretation of a file as text is used. That happens most =20
often with .dmg files, because the .dmg format is specific to OS X =20
and not widely known outside the Mac world.
Most browsers now have taken steps to move away from the (W3C) =20
standard a bit in this area, by recognizing a .dmg file through its =20
extension and doing what's appropriate for it, but that's not always =20
the case. I think Safari does this, but I'm not sure. I remember a =20
time during the evolution of Chimera/Camino, when there were =20
arguments in the associated mailing list between die-hard standards =20
advocates and user-oriented developers, whether this additional =20
functionality should be added or not.
All this to say that, in your case, the automatic addition of the =20
extension .sh to tex-perf, based on (I imagine) the first line "#!/=20
bin/sh", may as well depend on a specific interaction of the TUG web =20
server and your web browser (browser, version), plus some parameters =20
from your setup (the Launch Services database, and who knows what else).
So much for computer science as an exact science!
Bruno=
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