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MacOSX-TeX Digest #1473 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005
Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
by "Johann Philipp"
Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
by "Peter Dyballa"
Apothecary Symbols
by
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by "Jon Guyer"
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by "Jon Guyer"
Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda) another resu
by "Ralph Martin"
Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
by "Johann Philipp"
Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Ralph Martin"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Norm Gall"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Vince McGarry"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Claus Gerhardt"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Bruno Voisin"
TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
by "Jonathan Kew"
Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
by "Gerben Wierda"
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:42:43 +0200
Am 22.08.2005 um 14:00 schrieb Johann Philipp:
> I got the AcuLaser, not the ActionLaser. It's fairly new, and an=20
> otherwise well working GDI printer.
> But then, can it be, that there is a problem with the font encoding?=20=
> For me the most remarkable difference between the working postscript=20=
> version and the pdf version is, that the embedded font is encoded as a=20=
> 7bit stream and a 8bit stream respectively.
>
The first problem is that it is a `GDI printer=B4, as you call it. =
What's=20
true is that it can't do PostScript. You need to install a PostScript=20
driver in Mac OS X to be able to print TeX output. Since you can have=20
more joy from printing in METAFONT you should adjust METAFONT to your=20
printer! (The PK fonts are already pixels, while PS fonts need to be=20
rendered into pixels.)
Have you succeeded to print PDF and PS files? If you install=20
Ghostscript (from Fink, Darwinports, or an i-Installer) you'll have=20
some PostScript examples (in .../ghostscript//examples/) and=20
you'll have a suite of scripts, ps2pdf12...14 to convert PS to PDF and=20=
to print that.
I don't think that there can be a problem with font encoding, since the=20=
PS and PDF output files contain a directive to re-encode the=20
PostScript (8a) or otherwise encoded fonts (LM, CM-Super, ...)=20
accordingly, which is recorded in the MAP files. Do have another=20
printer to check your output? Or another 'software RIP' like=20
TeXniscope, TeXShop, Ghostscript to check with?
To find out what is going on you'll need to do some testing, with OT1=20
and T1 input and font encodings, with and without umlauts etc. Simple=20
words or sentences will do. And if you position the (framed?) test=20
texts with some distance between them they'll might fit on one page,=20
although printed many times, and might give some clues.
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
Pete
One doesn't expect governments to obey the law because of some
higher moral development. One expects them to obey the law because
they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged.
--Michael Shirley
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
From: "Johann Philipp"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:02:45 +0200
Ok, I played a little and have come quite far:
After updating the printer driver I get some reasonable output, but
still it is not 100% perfect:
E.g. when I use within the article documentclass a \title with a
\thanks, the asteriks after the title and before the thanks-footnote is
visible in Preview but not on the printout. This effect shows when
printing the pdf as well as printing via dvips. Well, I guess the
printer driver is crappy and I have to live with it...
Also I have noticed, that the pdfs generated by pstopdf (Apple's tool)
print with above limitations well, but those by the ps2pdf tool look
fine in Preview, but printing gives a character mess on the paper
(looks like the characters of each word have huge spaces between each
other).
Hmmm, next time I'll buy a good postscript printer.
Regards
Johann
P.S.: Peter, thanks for the input, I'll test more, but first I'll try
to get into LaTeX again, as I haven't used it for quite a long time...
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:24:44 +0200
Hi,
> there is actually a nice opportunity to add a user option to
> LaTeXiT: instead of having just one color picker, one could split
> this into foreground and background color selection buttons.
Yes, I have already thought about it. However, I came to a different
conclusion :
Having two color pickers would be confusing. I do not know how to
place them in the document window so that it remains a functional
interface. Moreover, I think it's very rare that an equation requires
a colored background. So, I prefer to let the user add himself the
\pagecolor in this case.
What do people think about that ? Would you rather agree or disagree ?
Regards,
Pierre
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:33:27 -0400
On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
>> there is actually a nice opportunity to add a user option to
>> LaTeXiT: instead of having just one color picker, one could split
>> this into foreground and background color selection buttons.
>>
>
> Yes, I have already thought about it. However, I came to a
> different conclusion :
> Having two color pickers would be confusing. I do not know how to
> place them in the document window so that it remains a functional
> interface. Moreover, I think it's very rare that an equation
> requires a colored background. So, I prefer to let the user add
> himself the \pagecolor in this case.
> What do people think about that ? Would you rather agree or disagree ?
I agree. I want my background to be transparent 99.99% of the time,
though I often want to change the color of the text in the equations
and thus want to be able to change the color of the background in the
preview. (Assuming I am understanding what you both are talking about.)
-- Gary
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:46:03 +0200
>>> there is actually a nice opportunity to add a user option to
>>> LaTeXiT: instead of having just one color picker, one could split
>>> this into foreground and background color selection buttons.
>>
>> Yes, I have already thought about it. However, I came to a
>> different conclusion :
>> Having two color pickers would be confusing. I do not know how to
>> place them in the document window so that it remains a functional
>> interface. Moreover, I think it's very rare that an equation
>> requires a colored background. So, I prefer to let the user add
>> himself the \pagecolor in this case.
>> What do people think about that ? Would you rather agree or
>> disagree ?
>
> I agree. I want my background to be transparent 99.99% of the time,
> though I often want to change the color of the text in the
> equations and thus want to be able to change the color of the
> background in the preview. (Assuming I am understanding what you
> both are talking about.)
So you may just be happy with the current version :-) (you can drag'n
drop a color on the preview pane to change the background color, but
it does not alter the image itself)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] using Latexit
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:52:15 -0400
On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
>>>> there is actually a nice opportunity to add a user option to
>>>> LaTeXiT: instead of having just one color picker, one could
>>>> split this into foreground and background color selection buttons.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I have already thought about it. However, I came to a
>>> different conclusion :
>>> Having two color pickers would be confusing. I do not know how to
>>> place them in the document window so that it remains a functional
>>> interface. Moreover, I think it's very rare that an equation
>>> requires a colored background. So, I prefer to let the user add
>>> himself the \pagecolor in this case.
>>> What do people think about that ? Would you rather agree or
>>> disagree ?
>>>
>>
>> I agree. I want my background to be transparent 99.99% of the
>> time, though I often want to change the color of the text in the
>> equations and thus want to be able to change the color of the
>> background in the preview. (Assuming I am understanding what you
>> both are talking about.)
>>
> So you may just be happy with the current version :-) (you can
> drag'n drop a color on the preview pane to change the background
> color, but it does not alter the image itself)
Exactly! :-)
-- Gary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:10:12 +0200
Am 23.08.2005 um 17:02 schrieb Johann Philipp:
> Also I have noticed, that the pdfs generated by pstopdf (Apple's tool)=20=
> print with above limitations well, but those by the ps2pdf tool look=20=
> fine in Preview, but printing gives a character mess on the paper=20
> (looks like the characters of each word have huge spaces between each=20=
> other).
There is one thing that could likely produce this: when the fonts are=20
not 'downloaded', i.e. not contained *completely* in the PS or PDF=20
output files (dvips usually does a partial download, i.e. only those=20
glyphs that are used in the document are being copied into the output).=20=
It's not easy to estimate how the soft RIPs might handle this ...
Again, since you are to learn LaTeX again: how did you setup teTeX in=20
the i-Installer or on the command line? Have you prepared for=20
Ghostscript a Fontmap.GS file that contains the font and the file=20
names? I did this every time to be sure that gs has no chance to fail.=20=
Usually I create links from the real fonts (.pfa, .pfb and .afm too) to=20=
Ghostscript's fonts directory and the document this in Fontmap.GS -- it=20=
costs some time to look into the AFM files to get the PS name and=20
record this and the corresponding file name in Fontmap.GS.
>
> Hmmm, next time I'll buy a good postscript printer.
Splendid idea! (EPSON EPL-5800/5900 *without* L (i.e. heavy then):=20
these L ones have no PS either, the others have useless Ethernet cards=20=
as an extra, and they're grateful for 128 or 256 MB PS/2 SIMM --=20
available at the museum?)
Or: *don't* use PS fonts, and no TrueType fonts too! Just use PK,=20
pixels, exactly what your printer understands.
>
> P.S.: Peter, thanks for the input, I'll test more, but first I'll try=20=
> to get into LaTeX again, as I haven't used it for quite a long time...
>
You know DANTE e.V.? (http://www.dante.de/,=20
https://lists.dante.de/mailman/listinfo/dante-ev)
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
~ O
Pete ~~_\\_/%
~ O o
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Subject: Apothecary Symbols
From:
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:06:42 +0200
Dear List
This may be off-topic. I'm looking for some of the apothecary symbols
shown e.g. on the following site:
http://wehner.org/addison/weights/index.htm
I'm specially looking for the pound, ounce and drachm-symbols. The
"symbols-a4.pdf" doesn't show any of them, pound and ounce could be
retrieved as unicode-symbols.
I hope, someone on this list can help me...
there have to be chemists and pharmacist out there working with
LaTeX! ;)
Happy TeXing!
David Krebs
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:10:04 -0400
On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:06 PM, d.krebs@mac.com wrote:
> This may be off-topic. I'm looking for some of the apothecary symbols
> shown e.g. on the following site:
googling "apothecary latex" is predictably useless, but I was able to
find this:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:20:52 +0200
Am 23.08.2005 um 21:06 schrieb d.krebs@mac.com:
> Dear List
>
> This may be off-topic. I'm looking for some of the apothecary symbols=20=
> shown e.g. on the following site:
>
> http://wehner.org/addison/weights/index.htm
>
> I'm specially looking for the pound, ounce and drachm-symbols. The=20
> "symbols-a4.pdf" doesn't show any of them, pound and ounce could be=20
> retrieved as unicode-symbols.
>
You can look through Character Palette ... or into the file=20
UnicodeData.txt in any recent kermit distribution.
SCRUPLE is at U+2108
OUNCE SIGN is at U+2125
L B BAR SYMBOL at U+2114 is the pound
The Letterlike Symbols are very amusing ... it even has a RECIPE (f)or=20=
PRESCRIPTION.
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
Pete
"Specifications are for the weak and timid!"
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From:
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:39:53 +0200
> You can look through Character Palette ... or into the file
> UnicodeData.txt in any recent kermit distribution.
>
> SCRUPLE is at U+2108
> OUNCE SIGN is at U+2125
> L B BAR SYMBOL at U+2114 is the pound
These are the unicode-symbols I was referring to, but what about the
drachm-symbol?
Yours, David
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From:
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:45:13 -0400
I, too, did a google search (on apothecary symbols fonts) and came up with =
this (among others, including the PIXymbols apothecary font(s)):
http://www.voynich.net/Arch/2002/02/msg00062.html
in which 'Lucida Sans Unicode' is mentioned as having apothecary symbols. =
Apparently LSU is currently found only on Windows XP machines? I don't =
know if the Lucida Sans found on Mac OS X is the same -- I doubt it.
SGM
> From: d.krebs@mac.com
> Date: 2005/08/23 Tue PM 03:06:42 EDT
> To: TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List
> Subject: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
>
> Dear List
>
> This may be off-topic. I'm looking for some of the apothecary symbols
> shown e.g. on the following site:
>
> http://wehner.org/addison/weights/index.htm
>
> I'm specially looking for the pound, ounce and drachm-symbols. The
> "symbols-a4.pdf" doesn't show any of them, pound and ounce could be
> retrieved as unicode-symbols.
>
> I hope, someone on this list can help me...
>
> there have to be chemists and pharmacist out there working with
> LaTeX! ;)
>
>
> Happy TeXing!
>
> David Krebs
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> List Post:
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>
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:07:23 -0400
On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:39 PM, d.krebs@mac.com wrote:
> These are the unicode-symbols I was referring to, but what about the
> drachm-symbol?
LATIN SMALL LETTER EZH at U+0292
see
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Subject: Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:03:15 +0200
I would be interested in getting results from the fllowing test:
1. Put the following (what is between the =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D lines) in =
the file=20
tex-perf
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
#!/bin/sh
for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8=A0 9 10
do
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 fmtutil --byfmt pdflatex >/dev/null
done
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
2. Make the file executable:
chmod +x tex-perf
3. Run the following command:
sudo time ./tex-perf
Enter your password and let it run. After a while, it reports a result.=20=
Send that result back to me with a description of the system you have=20
used.
E.g. in the format
500MHz G4 Cube 10.3.9 Server=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 48.05 real=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
29.43 user =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=20
=A07.98 sys
1.2GHz G4 iBook 10.4.2=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 56.60 real=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
44.75 user =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=20
=A08.48 sys
Thanks,
G=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:17:46 +0200
Am 23.08.2005 um 21:39 schrieb d.krebs@mac.com:
> These are the unicode-symbols I was referring to, but what about the=20=
> drachm-symbol?
>
It's not in Unicode ...
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
Pete
Basic, n.:
A programming language. Related to certain social diseases in
that those who have it will not admit it in polite company.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From:
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:23:24 +0200
Thanks a lot, I just took an ounce, cut the upper half... and got a
drachme symbol ;) That's sufficient for my purpose right now.
I hereby close this slightly off-topic subject... and by the way I AM
working on a Mac.
Yours, David
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda) another result
From: "Ralph Martin"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:32:41 +0100
Dual 2.0Ghz G5 PowerMac 10.4.2 17.03 real 13.08
user 3.88 sys
Best wishes
Ralph
--
Prof Ralph Martin Phone: +44(0)29 2087 5536
School of Computer Science Fax: +44(0)29 2087 4598
Cardiff University Email: mailto:ralph@cs.cf.ac.uk
5 The Parade, Roath WWW: http://ralph.cs.cf.ac.uk/
Cardiff, CF24 3AA, United Kingdom VOIP: sip:rrmwork@iptel.org
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
From: "Johann Philipp"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:37:37 +0200
Am 23.08.2005 um 20:10 schrieb Peter Dyballa:
>
> Or: *don't* use PS fonts, and no TrueType fonts too! Just use PK,
> pixels, exactly what your printer understands.
Ahhh, setting the -V option for dvips gets metafont to work, and my
output is correct. Thanks! Though now the PDF-Preview looks a bit
crappy, but I could make a screen and a paper version...
> You know DANTE e.V.? (http://www.dante.de/,
> https://lists.dante.de/mailman/listinfo/dante-ev)
>
I know it by name from earlier days, and just browsed it some minutes
ago. I think there is tons of info around, one could read for
decades...
Regards
Johann
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Apothecary Symbols
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:20:31 +0200
Am 23.08.2005 um 21:45 schrieb :
> in which 'Lucida Sans Unicode' is mentioned as having apothecary
> symbols. Apparently LSU is currently found only on Windows XP
> machines? I don't know if the Lucida Sans found on Mac OS X is the
> same -- I doubt it.
>
It is in Java. Look at
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/{1.3.1|1.4.2}/
Home/lib/fonts/
--
Greetings
Pete
Without vi there is only GNU Emacs
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Ralph Martin"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:27:19 +0100
1.5Ghz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 27.58 real 18.57
user 4.90 sys
Best wishes
Ralph
--
Prof Ralph Martin Phone: +44(0)29 2087 5536
School of Computer Science Fax: +44(0)29 2087 4598
Cardiff University Email: mailto:ralph@cs.cf.ac.uk
5 The Parade, Roath WWW: http://ralph.cs.cf.ac.uk/
Cardiff, CF24 3AA, United Kingdom VOIP: sip:rrmwork@iptel.org
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Norm Gall"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:04:58 -0600
800MHz G4 eMac 10.4.2 46.30 real 27.45 user 11.02 sys
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:37:16 +0200
Le 22 ao=FBt 05 =E0 02:03, Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
> I would be interested in getting results from the fllowing test:
>
> [...]
Adding my result to the preceding ones:
2.0Ghz Dual G5 PowerMac 10.4.2 17.03 real 13.08 user 3.88 =20
sys (Ralph)
1.5Ghz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 27.58 real 18.57 user 4.90 =20
sys (Ralph)
1.0GHz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 37.69 real 26.24 user 5.07 =20
sys (Bruno)
800MHz G4 eMac 10.4.2 46.30 real 27.45 user 11.02 =20
sys (Norm)
500MHz G4 Cube 10.3.9 Server 48.05 real 29.43 user 7.98 =20
sys (Gerben)
1.2GHz G4 iBook 10.4.2 56.60 real 44.75 user 8.48 =20
sys (Gerben)
Happy Ralph!
I'm surprised Gerben's iBook, with higher clock frequency than my =20
PowerBook, runs actually slower. Could it be caused by other =20
concurrent processes? Or by the amount of RAM (mine has been upgraded =20=
to 1GB)? Or the rest of the hardware (caches etc.)?
Tomorrow morning at work I'll check on my 400MHz G4 PowerMac 10.4.2.
By the way, after creating the script by pasting from Mail to =20
TextEdit, I got first 9 lines of:
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
It's only after removing the space at the beginning of line 5 (before =20=
fmtutil), and re-entering space manually, that the script accepted to =20=
run. I imagine an encoding problem, or invisible UTF-8 characters =20
when pasting from Mail, caused this.
Bruno
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:13:46 +0200
On Aug 23, 2005, at 23:37, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> Le 22 ao=FBt 05 =E0 02:03, Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
>
>> I would be interested in getting results from the fllowing test:
>>
>> [...]
>
> Adding my result to the preceding ones:
>
> 2.0Ghz Dual G5 PowerMac 10.4.2 17.03 real 13.08 user 3.88 sys =20=
> (Ralph)
> 1.5Ghz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 27.58 real 18.57 user 4.90 sys =20=
> (Ralph)
> 1.0GHz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 37.69 real 26.24 user 5.07 sys =20=
> (Bruno)
> 800MHz G4 eMac 10.4.2 46.30 real 27.45 user 11.02 sys =20=
> (Norm)
> 500MHz G4 Cube 10.3.9 Server 48.05 real 29.43 user 7.98 sys =20=
> (Gerben)
> 1.2GHz G4 iBook 10.4.2 56.60 real 44.75 user 8.48 sys =20=
> (Gerben)
>
> Happy Ralph!
>
> I'm surprised Gerben's iBook, with higher clock frequency than my=20
> PowerBook, runs actually slower. Could it be caused by other=20
> concurrent processes? Or by the amount of RAM (mine has been upgraded=20=
> to 1GB)? Or the rest of the hardware (caches etc.)?
The disk is really, really slow. I'd like a larger/faster one in this=20
iBook. What I find surprising is how fast my Cube is compared to the=20
powerbooks and eMac. Here too, the disk is probably the culprit (I am=20
running a fast disk with 8MB cache).
Note: to compare add user and sys. Forget about real (the difference is=20=
spent in other programs). Except when you are running on Mactel and are=20=
using ppc binaries, in that case a lot of time is spent in another=20
process (Rosetta) which is not reported this way and real is all you=20
got.
G=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:16:25 +0200
Am 22.08.2005 um 02:03 schrieb Gerben Wierda:
> I would be interested in getting results from the fllowing test:
>
1.5 GHz PowerBook G4 10.3.9: 37.57 real 22.52 user =20=
6.73 sys
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
Pete
Make it simple, as simple as possible but no simpler. (Albert Einstein)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] blank page output with pdflatex
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:11:15 +0200
Am 23.08.2005 um 22:37 schrieb Johann Philipp:
> Though now the PDF-Preview looks a bit crappy
The pixels are converted to a font, PostScript Type 3 I think, but=20
there is no outline that can be filled with very fine dots ...
Since you have found some tons of documentation, you might find some=20
too about 'modes' of METAFONT. This was an important topic 20 years ago=20=
when the laser printers had a manifold of engines in them and it was=20
another art to choose the right parameters to make glyphs look perfect=20=
on paper -- which wasn't true when you were printing two pages on one=20
sheet of paper! You could try to find a 'screen' and a 'printer' mode,=20=
i.e. two complete families of PK files (some 10 MB) ... or produce two=20=
versions: one for your printer in PK and another one with PostScript=20
fonts for PDF documents (and let the others have problems with their=20
non-PS printers!). To make this situation less complicated there is=20
ps2pk which renders PostScript fonts to PK files.
And another ease could be TeXniscope:=20
http://www.ing.unipi.it/~d9615/homepage/texniscope.html, a DVI viewer,=20=
a fake one, because it converts DVI to PDF with dvipdfmx behind your=20
back ...
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
Pete
If all else fails read the instructions. - Donald Knuth
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Vince McGarry"
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:40:29 -0500
Why would I get this?
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
0.11 real 0.00 user 0.02 sys
Obviously, the command is not being found.
Vince McGarry
On Aug 21, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> I would be interested in getting results from the fllowing test:
>
> 1. Put the following (what is between the =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D lines) in =
the file
> tex-perf
>
> =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> #!/bin/sh
>
> for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
> do
> fmtutil --byfmt pdflatex >/dev/null
> done
> =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> 2. Make the file executable:
>
> chmod +x tex-perf
>
> 3. Run the following command:
>
> sudo time ./tex-perf
>
> Enter your password and let it run. After a while, it reports a
> result. Send that result back to me with a description of the
> system you have used.
>
> E.g. in the format
>
> 500MHz G4 Cube 10.3.9 Server 48.05 real 29.43
> user 7.98 sys
> 1.2GHz G4 iBook 10.4.2 56.60 real 44.75
> user 8.48 sys
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Claus Gerhardt"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:47:37 +0200
Here is my result
G5@2.5GHz (CPU settings automatic, 2.87GB free memory, 10.4.2) 12.78 =20
real 9.26 user 3.23 sys
I used the command
sudo time /Users/claus/Library/Flashmode/bin/tex-perf
Claus
On Aug 24, 2005, at 0:13, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2005, at 23:37, Bruno Voisin wrote:
>
>
>> Le 22 ao=FBt 05 =E0 02:03, Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
>>
>>
>>> I would be interested in getting results from the fllowing test:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>
>> Adding my result to the preceding ones:
>>
>> 2.0Ghz Dual G5 PowerMac 10.4.2 17.03 real 13.08 user 3.88 =20
>> sys (Ralph)
>> 1.5Ghz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 27.58 real 18.57 user 4.90 =20
>> sys (Ralph)
>> 1.0GHz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 37.69 real 26.24 user 5.07 =20
>> sys (Bruno)
>> 800MHz G4 eMac 10.4.2 46.30 real 27.45 user 11.02 =20
>> sys (Norm)
>> 500MHz G4 Cube 10.3.9 Server 48.05 real 29.43 user 7.98 =20
>> sys (Gerben)
>> 1.2GHz G4 iBook 10.4.2 56.60 real 44.75 user 8.48 =20
>> sys (Gerben)
>>
>> Happy Ralph!
>>
>> I'm surprised Gerben's iBook, with higher clock frequency than my =20
>> PowerBook, runs actually slower. Could it be caused by other =20
>> concurrent processes? Or by the amount of RAM (mine has been =20
>> upgraded to 1GB)? Or the rest of the hardware (caches etc.)?
>>
>
> The disk is really, really slow. I'd like a larger/faster one in =20
> this iBook. What I find surprising is how fast my Cube is compared =20
> to the powerbooks and eMac. Here too, the disk is probably the =20
> culprit (I am running a fast disk with 8MB cache).
>
> Note: to compare add user and sys. Forget about real (the =20
> difference is spent in other programs). Except when you are running =20=
> on Mactel and are using ppc binaries, in that case a lot of time is =20=
> spent in another process (Rosetta) which is not reported this way =20
> and real is all you got.
>
> G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:10:57 +0200
Le 24 ao=FBt 05 =E0 00:40, Vince McGarry a =E9crit :
> Why would I get this?
>
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> ./tex-perf: line 5: ?: command not found
> 0.11 real 0.00 user 0.02 sys
>
> Obviously, the command is not being found.
I got that after pasting the script from Gerben's original message to =20=
TextEdit. Move to line 5 (the one containing fmtutil), delete the =20
spaces before fmtutil, then enter a tab if you like.
I wonder whether the problem is not caused by the current non-=20
handling of tabs in Mail in Tiger. In Tiger, Mail does not use the =20
same underlying text engine as in Panther and before: it was changed =20
to WebKit, Safari's HTML engine. As a result, there are all sorts of =20
problem for the moment (did you notice the unwanted addition of blank =20=
lines when you answer a message, and then the unwanted and apparently =20=
random suppression of some blank lines when the answer is posted). If =20=
I understood correctly, in its present version, Mail does not handle =20
tabs at all: indeed, if you enter a tab, and then move back with the =20
arrow, you'll notice the tab is actually a succession of four spaces.
According to stuff I read on the web about the upcoming 10.4.3 =20
update, Mail should become able to handle tabs with this update.
Bruno=
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Subject: TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:21:32 +0200
Hello folks: time for testing (backup your /usr/local/teTeX tree first!)
I am happy to announce the first release candidate for my TeX
redistribution, this time based on the first release candidate for
TL2005 (in combination with teTeX3 for the texmf tree).
As an added bonus, the i-Package contains native Intel binaries for
those using a Apple Intel Developer System. This also implies that
the layout of the package has changed, the sets are now organized
differently.
I suggest testing the 2005 release. The rest is equivalent to what
was before.
It can be installed from the *EXPERIMENTAL* i-Directory with i-
Installer.
Some remarks:
- The binaries are not universal, there are two directories, one with
x86 (compiled under 10.4.1) and one with ppc (compiled under 10.2.8)
binaries. This is to prevent you from downloading binaries not needed
on your system. A full install will install both. There are some
difficult tradeoffs between download size, functionality and
simplicity here.
- If you want to install on an Apple Intel Developer System, please
update i-Installer first to 2.70 (also universal, and I have seen
some potential problems with running the ppc version on an Intel
system). Also available from the *EXPERIMENTAL* i-Directory
- Do not mind some debugging messages in the Subprocess output view.
- It is highly unlikely that I will be able to make the TL2003 based
setup available on Mac Intel. If you need TL2003 (because of older
projects that will not typeset on TL2004 and up), use the ppc version
which will work (albeit slow) on an Intel system. If need be
(incompatibilities between Tl2004 and TL2005) I will be able to
provide a native x86 TL2004-based setup (compile has already been done)
G
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:28:48 +0200
Le 24 ao=FBt 05 =E0 01:21, Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
> As an added bonus, the i-Package contains native Intel binaries for =20=
> those using a Apple Intel Developer System. This also implies that =20
> the layout of the package has changed, the sets are now organized =20
> differently.
Is the new binary directory layout compatible with XeTeX? Or is an =20
update of its i-Package planned as well?
Bruno=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
From: "Jonathan Kew"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:45:11 +0800
On 24 Aug 2005, at 7:28 am, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> Le 24 ao=FBt 05 =E0 01:21, Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
>
>
>> As an added bonus, the i-Package contains native Intel binaries =20
>> for those using a Apple Intel Developer System. This also implies =20
>> that the layout of the package has changed, the sets are now =20
>> organized differently.
>>
>
> Is the new binary directory layout compatible with XeTeX? Or is an =20
> update of its i-Package planned as well?
I'd guess that it should be OK, but I'm away from the office and from =20=
most machines and connectivity until sometime next month, so I will =20
not be able to look into this right away, nor make any updates for at =20=
least a couple of weeks.
"Try it and see what happens" is of course an option; I'll try to =20
monitor the mail list for any comments from those who dare to =20
experiment.
JK=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Please test this: (Modified by Gerben Wierda)
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:54:11 +0200
Current tablewith latest 2005 release:
2.5Ghz G5 10.4.2 12.78 real 9.26 user
3.23 sys
2.0Ghz Dual G5 PowerMac 10.4.2 17.03 real 13.08
user 3.88 sys (Ralph)
1.5Ghz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 27.58 real 18.57
user 4.90 sys (Ralph)
1.2GHz G4 iBook 10.4.2 26.32 real 19.06
user 5.81 sys
1.0GHz G4 PowerBook 10.4.2 37.69 real 26.24
user 5.07 sys (Bruno)
500MHz G4 Cube 10.3.9 Server 39.66 real 23.82 user
7.69 sys
800MHz G4 eMac 10.4.2 46.30 real 27.45 user
11.02 sys (Norm)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeX Live 2005 Release Candidate, Intel binaries
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:54:59 +0200
The layout did not change for ppc system. Only stuff was added. XeTeX =20=
should install just fine.
G
On 24 Aug 2005, at 01:45, Jonathan Kew wrote:
>
> On 24 Aug 2005, at 7:28 am, Bruno Voisin wrote:
>
>
>> Le 24 ao=FBt 05 =E0 01:21, Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
>>
>>
>>
>>> As an added bonus, the i-Package contains native Intel binaries =20
>>> for those using a Apple Intel Developer System. This also implies =20=
>>> that the layout of the package has changed, the sets are now =20
>>> organized differently.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is the new binary directory layout compatible with XeTeX? Or is an =20=
>> update of its i-Package planned as well?
>>
>
> I'd guess that it should be OK, but I'm away from the office and =20
> from most machines and connectivity until sometime next month, so I =20=
> will not be able to look into this right away, nor make any updates =20=
> for at least a couple of weeks.
>
> "Try it and see what happens" is of course an option; I'll try to =20
> monitor the mail list for any comments from those who dare to =20
> experiment.
>
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