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MacOSX-TeX Digest #1421 - Saturday, July 2, 2005
Crossrefs and BibDesk
by "Jon Hanson"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX Books
by "Ross Moore"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX Books
by "Jan Hegewald"
LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Do DeclareOption & Keyval Options Mix?
by "Herbert Schulz"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX Books
by "Jon Guyer"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Aaron Jackson"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Aaron Jackson"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Herbert Schulz"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Aaron Jackson"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
by "Aaron Jackson"
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Subject: Crossrefs and BibDesk
From: "Jon Hanson"
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:25:40 -0400
The recent addition of cross-reference functionality in BibDesk got
me interested in learning how to use cross-references. I am having
some trouble and can't tell if the problem is my own ignorance or a
small bug in BibDesk.
I wish to refer to separate chapters of an edited volume. Each
chapter has its own title and authors. My reading of Kopka & Daly
(3rd ed) led me to think that I should thus use the "book" type for
the parent record and the "incollection" type for the child records.
What I find is that BibDesk pulls the "Title" field from the parent
record and puts it in the "Title" field of the child record, but I
think it should go to the "Booktitle" field. Am I correct?
Sincerely,
Jon Hanson
Ph.D. Candidate
Department of Political Science
University of Michigan
jkhanson@umich.edu
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX Books
From: "Ross Moore"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:21:51 +1000
Hi Maarten, and others.
On 02/07/2005, at 6:39 AM, Maarten Sneep wrote:
>>> Pro: any labels that appear within your figure will match the
>>> main body text.
>>> Con: not wysiwyg (may be a pro, though for figures I'm not so
>>> sure there are many who will argue in favour).
>>>
>>
>> What about WarmReader?
>>
>
> Excellent; no money for Illustrator though, and most of the figures
> are graphs anyway, so Illustrator is overkill for those.
You don't actually *need* Illustrator to use WarmReader.
What you need is a way to create suitable .bb files.
A plug-in for Illustrator (called 'Marked Objects') is one way to
do this.
With a little bit of effort you can use any piece of software that
lets you estimate the coordinates of a point within a graphic image.
Indeed, it is sufficient to just estimate "by eye" and record
this information by hand in a file.
Having spent some money on Illustrator just makes this task
easier, and more Mac-like.
For an insight into the theory, and what is required,
or different ways to work, read the PDF preprint available here:
http://www-texdev.ics.mq.edu.au/TUG/WARM/WARMarticle/
http://www.tug.org/TUG99-web/pdf/ross.pdf
>
>
> Maarten
>
Hope this helps,
Ross
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Mathematics Department office: E7A-419
Macquarie University tel: +61 +2 9850 8955
Sydney, Australia 2109 fax: +61 +2 9850 8114
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX Books
From: "Jan Hegewald"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:43:59 +0200
Hello,
Am 01.07.2005 um 22:39 schrieb Maarten Sneep:
> Excellent; no money for Illustrator though, and most of the figures
> are graphs anyway, so Illustrator is overkill for those.
>
maybe you would like to try DrawAt, which will help you to add simple
labels to graphics using LaTeX. Last time I looked, it was here:
http://www.enseeiht.fr/~douze/drawat
HTH,
--Jan--
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Subject: LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:55:04 +0200
Hello,
I am about to release a new version of LaTeXiT; I am waiting for =20
MacOS 10.4.2, that will fix a bug of 10.4.1 that I handle with a =20
dirty workaround. That's why in the documentation it is written that =20
LaTeXiT 1.2 will be compatible only with 10.4.2 at least. That is =20
untrue for this beta, but it will be in the future. This beta only =20
requires 10.4
I also wait some time to increase the chances to find and squash =20
bugs. If you feel like to help, you can download the beta to test it =20
and report bugs; such help is greatly appreciated !
The download URL is : http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/fichiers/=20
LaTeXiT-beta.dmg
LaTeXiT is a tool similar to LaTeX Equation Editor, in the sense that =20=
it allows to quickly typeset a latex equation and drag'n drop it in =20
another application.
Its main feature that make it useful are:
-a smart error manager
-automatic history
-a library to store the equation you use very often
-LaTeXiT can be called as an application service to transform text =20
into an image of the equation
-LinkBack support (an equation dropped from LaTeXiT in an application =20=
supporting LinkBack can be reopen and modified; see the readme for =20
more info)
-now open source software (source code will be available with the =20
final 1.2 version)
For those who have already used LaTeXiT, here are the "what's new"
v 1.2
- the software is now Tiger only (at least MacOS 10.4.2) ;
- ready for Mac-Intel (compiled using UniversalBinary) ; but even if =20
the Intel version should not contain specific bugs, it could not be =20
tested anyway. So it is considered "experimental", and bug reports =20
(for those who own a Mac-Intel) are welcome ;
- the software is now under the CeCILL license (open source, GPL =20
compatible) ;
- improved speed ;
- better LinkBack support (you can now "refresh" an equation dropped =20
into another application) ;
- you can now repoen with LaTeXiT a PDF file created by it ;
- you can now drop on the Finder items from the history or from the =20
library ;
- the export format, by drag'n drop or through the service, is now =20
customizable ;
- better application service configurability ;
- the LaTeXiT service now tries to align the equation with the =20
surrounding text ;
- the LaTeXiT service can now use the same color as the source text ;
- you can now update a library item without deleting/recreating it ;
- japanese users can now use the " =C2=A5 " (yen) symbol instead of " \ =20=
" (backslash) ;
- updated palettes ;
- corrected tooltips in the palette ;
- the latexization can now be triggered with =E2=8C=98L or =E2=87=A7=E2=8C=
=98L (to =20
please TeXShop users) ;
- some minor bugs fixed.
Thanks in advance
Pierre Chatelier
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Do DeclareOption & Keyval Options Mix?
From: "Herbert Schulz"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:06:03 -0500
Howdy,
Before setting out to make some new options available on my modified
pdftricks package I was wondering if you can mix options declared
using the usual \DeclareOption command with options using the keyval
package equivalent? I know that I can just try it but the combined
knowledge on this list is too much of a temptation.
Good Luck,
Herb Schulz
(herbs@wideopenwest.com)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX Books
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:57:25 -0400
On Jul 2, 2005, at 2:21 AM, Ross Moore wrote:
> You don't actually *need* Illustrator to use WarmReader.
>
> What you need is a way to create suitable .bb files.
> A plug-in for Illustrator (called 'Marked Objects') is one way to
> do this.
>
> With a little bit of effort you can use any piece of software that
> lets you estimate the coordinates of a point within a graphic image.
Probably time for me to, once again, promise to finish up my Igor Pro
tool for WaRM labeling.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Aaron Jackson"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:35:55 -0400
I would like to first thank you for your hard work. I know this sounds=20=
a bit ungrateful, but there are some "minor" features that I think=20
could be added to make LaTeXiT a killer app.
I am currently writing my dissertation, which involves many equations=20
and references. It becomes quite confusing when I have to remember the=20=
labels I assigned to each equation or just to remember how an equation=20=
looks when there are several similar equations within the document. It=20=
would make life much easier if I could put all of my equations in=20
LaTeXiT and then when needed drag and drop either the LaTeX code, a=20
random pre-formatted equation label or a pre-formatted reference to the=20=
random equation label. With this functionality, one could have all of=20=
their equations in LaTeXiT and not have to keep track of the labels or=20=
references while editing a LaTeX document. This is the type of=20
functionality that BibDesk provides, which, to me, is a killer app.
On Jul 2, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am about to release a new version of LaTeXiT; I am waiting for MacOS=20=
> 10.4.2, that will fix a bug of 10.4.1 that I handle with a dirty=20
> workaround. That's why in the documentation it is written that LaTeXiT=20=
> 1.2 will be compatible only with 10.4.2 at least. That is untrue for=20=
> this beta, but it will be in the future. This beta only requires 10.4
>
> I also wait some time to increase the chances to find and squash bugs.=20=
> If you feel like to help, you can download the beta to test it and=20
> report bugs; such help is greatly appreciated !
> The download URL is :=20
> http://ktd.club.fr/programmation/fichiers/LaTeXiT-beta.dmg
>
> LaTeXiT is a tool similar to LaTeX Equation Editor, in the sense that=20=
> it allows to quickly typeset a latex equation and drag'n drop it in=20
> another application.
> Its main feature that make it useful are:
> -a smart error manager
> -automatic history
> -a library to store the equation you use very often
> -LaTeXiT can be called as an application service to transform text=20
> into an image of the equation
> -LinkBack support (an equation dropped from LaTeXiT in an application=20=
> supporting LinkBack can be reopen and modified; see the readme for=20
> more info)
> -now open source software (source code will be available with the=20
> final 1.2 version)
>
> For those who have already used LaTeXiT, here are the "what's new"
> v 1.2
> - the software is now Tiger only (at least MacOS 10.4.2) ;
> - ready for Mac-Intel (compiled using UniversalBinary) ; but even if=20=
> the Intel version should not contain specific bugs, it could not be=20
> tested anyway. So it is considered "experimental", and bug reports=20
> (for those who own a Mac-Intel) are welcome ;
> - the software is now under the CeCILL license (open source, GPL=20
> compatible) ;
> - improved speed ;
> - better LinkBack support (you can now "refresh" an equation dropped=20=
> into another application) ;
> - you can now repoen with LaTeXiT a PDF file created by it ;
> - you can now drop on the Finder items from the history or from the=20
> library ;
> - the export format, by drag'n drop or through the service, is now=20
> customizable ;
> - better application service configurability ;
> - the LaTeXiT service now tries to align the equation with the=20
> surrounding text ;
> - the LaTeXiT service can now use the same color as the source text ;
> - you can now update a library item without deleting/recreating it ;
> - japanese users can now use the " =C2=A5 " (yen) symbol instead of " =
\ "=20
> (backslash) ;
> - updated palettes ;
> - corrected tooltips in the palette ;
> - the latexization can now be triggered with =E2=8C=98L or =E2=87=A7=E2=8C=
=98L (to please=20
> TeXShop users) ;
> - some minor bugs fixed.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Pierre Chatelier
> --------------------- Info ---------------------
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>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:43:41 +0200
Hello,
> I would like to first thank you for your hard work. I know this
> sounds a bit ungrateful, but there are some "minor" features that I
> think could be added to make LaTeXiT a killer app.
Thanks ! If you only complain about missing features, this is because
you did not find bugs (starting from the principle that the user
cannot be just happy ;-)
> I am currently writing my dissertation, which involves many
> equations and references. It becomes quite confusing when I have
> to remember the labels I assigned to each equation or just to
> remember how an equation looks when there are several similar
> equations within the document. It would make life much easier if I
> could put all of my equations in LaTeXiT and then when needed drag
> and drop either the LaTeX code, a random pre-formatted equation
> label or a pre-formatted reference to the random equation label.
> With this functionality, one could have all of their equations in
> LaTeXiT and not have to keep track of the labels or references
> while editing a LaTeX document. This is the type of functionality
> that BibDesk provides, which, to me, is a killer app.
Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems to me that you can already do
that.
Copy/paste your latex source code into LaTeXiT, latexize, store the
result into the library, and name it with the label of your choice.
Isn't it what you would like to do ?
Regards,
Pierre Chatelier
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Aaron Jackson"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:51:47 -0400
On Jul 2, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> I would like to first thank you for your hard work. I know this
>> sounds a bit ungrateful, but there are some "minor" features that I
>> think could be added to make LaTeXiT a killer app.
> Thanks ! If you only complain about missing features, this is because
> you did not find bugs (starting from the principle that the user
> cannot be just happy ;-)
>
>> I am currently writing my dissertation, which involves many equations
>> and references. It becomes quite confusing when I have to remember
>> the labels I assigned to each equation or just to remember how an
>> equation looks when there are several similar equations within the
>> document. It would make life much easier if I could put all of my
>> equations in LaTeXiT and then when needed drag and drop either the
>> LaTeX code, a random pre-formatted equation label or a pre-formatted
>> reference to the random equation label. With this functionality, one
>> could have all of their equations in LaTeXiT and not have to keep
>> track of the labels or references while editing a LaTeX document.
>> This is the type of functionality that BibDesk provides, which, to
>> me, is a killer app.
>
> Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems to me that you can already do
> that.
> Copy/paste your latex source code into LaTeXiT, latexize, store the
> result into the library, and name it with the label of your choice.
> Isn't it what you would like to do ?
Sorry, I should have provided an example to make my request more clear.
So for example, lets say I enter an equation in LaTeXiT and add it to
the library and name it myequ. My request would then allow me to click
and drag the equation icon from the library into TexShop, for example,
and get one of the following pasted into my document: \ref{equ:myequ},
\label{equ:myequ}, $equ source$, or
\begin{equation}\label{equ:myequ}equ source\end{equation}. The content
of pasted text would somewhow be controlled within LaTeXiT.
That way, if I am editing a large document I can just open LaTeXiT find
an equation I want in my text, and just click and drag it to where is
belongs. Also, when I have to refer to it I can just click and drag
wherever the references belong. This makes editing a document with
hundreds of equations MUCH easier. There was a thread on the OS X TeX
mailing list about this, which is where I got the idea. After a
certain point it becomes very hard to keep track of all the equations
and there labels.
Thanks for your time.
Aaron
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Herbert Schulz"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:05:14 -0500
Howdy,
I just noticed many lines that look like
Jul 2 14:53:39 HSPBG4 /Applications/TeX/LaTeXiT/LaTeXiT.app/Contents/
MacOS/LaTeXiT: WARNING: Type1 font data returned by
OFAStreamPSDownload isn't in the correct format required by the Adobe
Type 1 Font Format specification.
in the console and system logs. I've added the use of the Lucida
Bright fonts to the default preamble. This was when I was playing
with inserting an equation into a Pages document using the Services
menu.
I hope a LinkBack plug-in will arrive for Pages and, along with that,
the baseline correction for in-line equations. I won't use Pages too
often but there are some one-off Newsletter things that will make
Pages handy occasionally.
Good Luck,
Herb Schulz
(herbs@wideopenwest.com)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:13:52 +0200
> Sorry, I should have provided an example to make my request more
> clear. So for example, lets say I enter an equation in LaTeXiT and
> add it to the library and name it myequ. My request would then
> allow me to click and drag the equation icon from the library into
> TexShop, for example, and get one of the following pasted into my
> document: \ref{equ:myequ}, \label{equ:myequ}, $equ source$, or
> \begin{equation}\label{equ:myequ}equ source\end{equation}. The
> content of pasted text would somewhow be controlled within LaTeXiT.
Ok, I understood, now. I have a solution for you, let's talk about it :
My idea is that, if you drag'n drop an equation *from the library*,
and drop it in an textfield *that cannot display images* (like a
TeXShop document), the data provided by the pasteboard would be the
label of the equation. So, this label would appear at the drag
destination. Exactly what you want ?
But it would work only if you drag from the library, since only
library items have a label.
The problem is that it will be difficult to make it well-documented.
Moreover, this trick will fail if you drop in textfields that support
images, since most of the time the image in the pasteboard will be
preferred by the receiver. So, there is a solution (not very handy),
that is to set a new export-type (in the preferences of the app). In
addition to PDF, EPS, TIFF... there would be "string label". (It is
even affordable to add a checkbox that would encapsulate this label
in a "\ref{...}"
My opinion would be to keep the very first solution, since the last
one is not very handy in fact.
What do you think about that ?
Pierre
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Aaron Jackson"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:38:58 -0400
On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
>> Sorry, I should have provided an example to make my request more
>> clear. So for example, lets say I enter an equation in LaTeXiT and
>> add it to the library and name it myequ. My request would then allow
>> me to click and drag the equation icon from the library into TexShop,
>> for example, and get one of the following pasted into my document:
>> \ref{equ:myequ}, \label{equ:myequ}, $equ source$, or
>> \begin{equation}\label{equ:myequ}equ source\end{equation}. The
>> content of pasted text would somewhow be controlled within LaTeXiT.
>
> Ok, I understood, now. I have a solution for you, let's talk about it :
> My idea is that, if you drag'n drop an equation *from the library*,
> and drop it in an textfield *that cannot display images* (like a
> TeXShop document), the data provided by the pasteboard would be the
> label of the equation. So, this label would appear at the drag
> destination. Exactly what you want ?
> But it would work only if you drag from the library, since only
> library items have a label.
Yes, this is what I want. The only other frill would be to encapsulate
the string label in some LaTeX code, but I'll take what I can get!
This is the kind of thing that BibDesk does that makes it such a great
app.
>
> The problem is that it will be difficult to make it well-documented.
> Moreover, this trick will fail if you drop in textfields that support
> images, since most of the time the image in the pasteboard will be
> preferred by the receiver. So, there is a solution (not very handy),
> that is to set a new export-type (in the preferences of the app). In
> addition to PDF, EPS, TIFF... there would be "string label". (It is
> even affordable to add a checkbox that would encapsulate this label in
> a "\ref{...}"
> My opinion would be to keep the very first solution, since the last
> one is not very handy in fact.
>
> What do you think about that ?
The first solution does seem to be the most natural.
Aaron
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:43:38 +0200
> The first solution does seem to be the most natural.
Yes, let's be simple for the first time. LaTeXiT will certainly
evolve in the future, so this feature may be implemented later, if a
satisfying way to interface it is used.
Pierre
>>> Sorry, I should have provided an example to make my request more
>>> clear. So for example, lets say I enter an equation in LaTeXiT
>>> and add it to the library and name it myequ. My request would
>>> then allow me to click and drag the equation icon from the
>>> library into TexShop, for example, and get one of the following
>>> pasted into my document: \ref{equ:myequ}, \label{equ:myequ}, $equ
>>> source$, or \begin{equation}\label{equ:myequ}equ source\end
>>> {equation}. The content of pasted text would somewhow be
>>> controlled within LaTeXiT.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, I understood, now. I have a solution for you, let's talk about
>> it :
>> My idea is that, if you drag'n drop an equation *from the
>> library*, and drop it in an textfield *that cannot display images*
>> (like a TeXShop document), the data provided by the pasteboard
>> would be the label of the equation. So, this label would appear at
>> the drag destination. Exactly what you want ?
>> But it would work only if you drag from the library, since only
>> library items have a label.
>>
>
> Yes, this is what I want. The only other frill would be to
> encapsulate the string label in some LaTeX code, but I'll take what
> I can get! This is the kind of thing that BibDesk does that makes
> it such a great app.
>
>
>>
>> The problem is that it will be difficult to make it well-
>> documented. Moreover, this trick will fail if you drop in
>> textfields that support images, since most of the time the image
>> in the pasteboard will be preferred by the receiver. So, there is
>> a solution (not very handy), that is to set a new export-type (in
>> the preferences of the app). In addition to PDF, EPS, TIFF...
>> there would be "string label". (It is even affordable to add a
>> checkbox that would encapsulate this label in a "\ref{...}"
>> My opinion would be to keep the very first solution, since the
>> last one is not very handy in fact.
>>
>> What do you think about that ?
>>
>
> The first solution does seem to be the most natural.
>
> Aaron
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeXiT 1.2 beta
From: "Aaron Jackson"
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:58:11 -0400
On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
>> The first solution does seem to be the most natural.
> Yes, let's be simple for the first time. LaTeXiT will certainly evolve
> in the future, so this feature may be implemented later, if a
> satisfying way to interface it is used.
Thanks for considering my request.
Aaron
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