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MacOSX-TeX Digest #1419 - Thursday, June 30, 2005
PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Herbert Schulz"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "William F. Adams"
Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
by "J=E9r=F4me Laurens"
Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
by "J=E9r=F4me Laurens"
Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
by "Herbert Schulz"
Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
by "Frederick Hoyt"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
by "Herbert Schulz"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "William F. Adams"
Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Alan Curtis"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Aaron Jackson"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Gary L. Gray"
Fwd: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Aaron Jackson"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Maarten Sneep"
Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
by "Pierre Chatelier"
Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
by "Piet van Oostrum"
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Subject: PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:35:59 +0200
Hello,
Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a PDF
equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then Illustrator
does not consider it as a mere image, but on the contrary recognized
the symbols, and unfortunately replace them using another (ugly) font.
I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see that
by myself.
Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
generation, to get rid of this problem ?
Regards,
Pierre Chatelier
PS : I hope this mail is plain text, since I used the (Shift-Command-T) command of Apple's Mail app.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:55:15 +0200
Le 30 juin 05 =E0 11:35, Pierre Chatelier a =E9crit :
> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a =20
> PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then =20
> Illustrator does not consider it as a mere image, but on the =20
> contrary recognized the symbols, and unfortunately replace them =20
> using another (ugly) font.
> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see =20
> that by myself.
> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf =20
> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
I don't think you can get rid of it: Illustrator interprets any EPS =20
or PDF input in terms of Bezier curves, fonts, etc., so that you can =20
modify it afterwards. For the type of things I do, this is =20
beneficial: creating mathematical curves and figures in Mathematica, =20
saving them as EPS and opening them in Illustrator for modification, =20
addition of background, of axes, annotations and so forth; or opening =20=
PDF files for scientific papers in Illustrator, such that the figures =20=
can be extracted (generally they are included JPEG files) and, when =20
these are curves, digitized to get values from them. But for other =20
usages that may be detrimental.
I think what you see is a bug, in that Illustrator does not recognize =20=
fonts and/or encodings properly. A safe measure would be to use Latin =20=
Modern fonts, for which i-Installer creates and installs OS X =20
versions inside /Library/Fonts/ when installing the TeX i-Package, =20
and to modify the LaTeXiT preambles or templates such that these =20
fonts are used, by adding:
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{textcomp}
\usepackage{lmodern}
But if that's really an encoding bug, the above won't help.
A simpler fix: save the equation to JPEG or TIFF format before =20
opening it in Illustrator. But then you lose the quality and =20
resolution-independence of PDF.
Bruno Voisin
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Herbert Schulz"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:58:54 -0500
On Jun 30, 2005, at 4:35 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a
> PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then
> Illustrator does not consider it as a mere image, but on the
> contrary recognized the symbols, and unfortunately replace them
> using another (ugly) font.
> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see
> that by myself.
> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Pierre Chatelier
>
> PS : I hope this mail is plain text, since I used the Text> (Shift-Command-T) command of Apple's Mail app.
>
Howdy,
That has been a problem with Illustrator for a long time. I'm still
at Illustrator 10 so I can't comment on 11 or CS or whatever it's
called now.
The only real solution I've seen is to use WARMreader + WarmFigToPDF
which works nicely.
In the end I started making my exam figures, etc., with Stone
Studio's Create and haven't turned back.
Good Luck,
Herb Schulz
(herbs@wideopenwest.com)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "William F. Adams"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:56:11 -0400
On Jun 30, 2005, at 5:35 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a PDF
> equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then Illustrator
> does not consider it as a mere image, but on the contrary recognized
> the symbols, and unfortunately replace them using another (ugly) font.
> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see that
> by myself.
> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
There're a couple of font sets which're supposed to fix this sort of
problem (see the Mac-TeX Website in the Info footer of this message),
and it's ameliorated somewhat by using mathptmx, but the bottom line
here is Illustrator since AI v7 won't make use of characters in the
0--31 range and if TeX does, the files then don't work in AI.
The solution will be when a Unicode math font is done and a setup is
done to allow TeX to use it.
In the meanwhile, a work-around is to wrap the pdf files up in a .eps
w/ the fonts embedded and then place that in an application which will
place (not parse) the .pdfs --- Macromedia Freehand affords one a
choice on this.
William
--
William Adams, publishing specialist
voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708
www.atlis.com
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "J=E9r=F4me Laurens"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:31:44 +0200
Le 30 juin 05, =E0 00:24, Gerben Wierda a =E9crit :
> On Jun 30, 2005, at 00:03, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
>> Ah, but one of the nice things about TeXShop 2.03 under Tigerrrrr is=20=
>> that there is (approximate but pretty good) ``syncing'' between the=20=
>> displayed .pdf and the source .tex without using pdfsync. That is=20
>> because TeXShop 2.03 uses the internal PDF framework of Tigerrrr=20
>> which allows .pdf searching.
>
> Does it work with multiple source files in various directories?
I am afraid not, this is why in iTeXmac 2, I still use the old pdfsync.
This new PDF framework is very nice such that I got a pdf=20
synchronization very accurate in iTM2, to the very character from both=20=
sides in general, even with multiple input.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "J=E9r=F4me Laurens"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:59:38 +0200
Le 30 juin 05, =E0 01:38, Herbert Schulz a =E9crit :
>
> On Jun 29, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>
>>
>> Does it work with multiple source files in various directories?
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>
> Howdy,
>
> I just played around with it bit and it seemed to work. Using=20
> \include{} with absolute paths didn't seem to compile; at least with=20=
> \include{/Users/myname/Desktop/testf1/test1}. As long as I stayed with=20=
> relative paths I was able to go two deep in two different directories=20=
> off of the Desktop where the test.tex root file was located. I made=20
> sure that each of the included files had a line like
>
> %!TEX root =3D (relative path back to root)
>
> and was able to go sync in either direction between the .pdf and=20
> proper .tex file.
>
> Certainly a simple test and not exhaustive.
Were the source files already open in TeXShop?
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Herbert Schulz"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:38:09 -0500
On Jun 30, 2005, at 7:59 AM, J=E9r=F4me Laurens wrote:
> Le 30 juin 05, =E0 01:38, Herbert Schulz a =E9crit :
>
>
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Does it work with multiple source files in various directories?
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I just played around with it bit and it seemed to work. Using =20
>> \include{} with absolute paths didn't seem to compile; at least =20
>> with \include{/Users/myname/Desktop/testf1/test1}. As long as I =20
>> stayed with relative paths I was able to go two deep in two =20
>> different directories off of the Desktop where the test.tex root =20
>> file was located. I made sure that each of the included files had =20
>> a line like
>>
>> %!TEX root =3D (relative path back to root)
>>
>> and was able to go sync in either direction between the .pdf and =20
>> proper .tex file.
>>
>> Certainly a simple test and not exhaustive.
>>
>
> Were the source files already open in TeXShop?
>
>
Howdy,
No, they weren't already open; I assume they were opened by TeXShop =20
from the \include{} reference.
I was careful about getting the ``%!TEX root =3D (rel/path/to/root)'' =20=
line in each one correct but I don't see how that really means =20
anything except when compiling from the included file's source window.
I did have problems compiling if the \include{} referenced a full =20
path rather than a relative path from the root. Maybe that is because =20=
the full paths went through my /Users/myname/Desktop/ directory. At =20
the time I wanted to test out the syncing and not the compiling.
Again, it was a fairly simple case with the root file and two folders =20=
on the Desktop and included files inside each of those folders as =20
well as inside a folder inside one of those folders.
Good Luck,
Herb Schulz
(herbs@wideopenwest.com)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
From: "Frederick Hoyt"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:50:13 -0500
Hi,
A follow-up: following suggestions by Bruno and Piet, I deleted any and
all babel-related files in my ~/Library/texmf tree and reran texhash.
This allowed me to compile the document.
I had placed the babel files under my ~/ tree because I had assumed
that they would work like other latex style files, in the sense that
they can be located in either /usr/local/teTeX/ or in ~/Library/texmf,
but apparently this was an incorrect assumption.
Thanks to all for their help,
Fred Hoyt
On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> If I were you, I would remove all trace of babel from ~/Library/texmf/
> (babel.sty, english.ldf, language.dat, etc.), then re-run the
> Configure stage of the TeX i-Package completely, then reinstall XeTeX.
>
On Jun 29, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Piet van Oostrum wrote:
>>>>>> Frederick Hoyt (FH) wrote:
>> FH> Yes, I already have done that. However, doing so has not affected
>> the error
>> FH> message.
>
> That's not true. Look at the logfile. It has:
>
>>> (/Users/fmhoyt/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/babel.sty)
>
> So babel.sty *IS* in your personal directory.
Frederick M. Hoyt
www.livejournal.com/users/frederickhoyt
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:31:39 +0200
>> when you drag'n drop a PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe
>> Illustrator, then Illustrator does not consider it as a mere
>> image, but on the contrary recognized the symbols, and
>> unfortunately replace them using another (ugly) font.
Ok, thanks for your answers; if it is a problem on Illustrator's
side, I feel less embarassed.
> In the meanwhile, a work-around is to wrap the pdf files up in
> a .eps w/ the fonts embedded and then place that in an application
> which will place (not parse) the .pdfs --- Macromedia Freehand
> affords one a choice on this.
I do not know anything about eps and pdf : font, embedding, vector
outlines, and so on, are really a mystery for me. What I just see is
that "the font of my text has changed in Illustrator".
You say that you can "embedd the fonts into an eps". What I
understand is that the text will be preserved. Isn't it possible to
do that with pdf ? And why should I have to use an external tool as
Macromedia Freehands; pdflatex cannot do that ?
Sorry if I really miss the point, but I am really not used nor
confident in this domain.
Regards,
Pierre Chatelier
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
From: "Herbert Schulz"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:35:47 -0500
On Jun 30, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Frederick Hoyt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A follow-up: following suggestions by Bruno and Piet, I deleted any
> and all babel-related files in my ~/Library/texmf tree and reran
> texhash. This allowed me to compile the document.
>
> I had placed the babel files under my ~/ tree because I had assumed
> that they would work like other latex style files, in the sense
> that they can be located in either /usr/local/teTeX/ or in ~/
> Library/texmf, but apparently this was an incorrect assumption.
>
> Thanks to all for their help,
>
> Fred Hoyt
>
Howdy,
The search order is ~/Library/texmf/... first and then the other
branches of the texmf tree. Therefore it was finding your personal
(incorrect?) version and stopping there.
Good Luck,
Herb Schulz
(herbs@wideopenwest.com)
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:36:27 +0200
Am 30.06.2005 um 11:35 schrieb Pierre Chatelier:
> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a PDF =20=
> equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then Illustrator =20=
> does not consider it as a mere image, but on the contrary recognized =20=
> the symbols, and unfortunately replace them using another (ugly) font.
Are sure that LaTeXiT does *not* use the ugly font? I mean, when you're =20=
using PK fonts from Computer Modern they look very ugly in Adobe =20
products. Couldn't you try the same with fourier, mathpazo, and could =20=
be Latin Modern too? pxfonts and txfonts use AMS fonts. If you don't =20
use a MAP setup to use the PostScript versions of the PK fonts you will =20=
see ugly glyphs. (I don't use AI, so it's close to pure theory what I =20=
write.)
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/doc/fonts/pxfonts/pxfontsdocA4.pdf
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/doc/fonts/txfonts/txfontsdocA4.pdf
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/doc/fonts/mathpazo/README.txt
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/doc/help/Catalogue/entries/=20
mathpazo.html
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.gwtex/doc/latex/fourier (there should be =20=
French doc too, since Fourier is a French package)
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
Pete
There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. =20=
We don't believe this to be a coincidence. - Jeremy S. Anderson
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "William F. Adams"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:38:07 -0400
I'd said:
>> In the meanwhile, a work-around is to wrap the pdf files up in a .eps
>> w/ the fonts embedded and then place that in an application which
>> will place (not parse) the .pdfs --- Macromedia Freehand affords one
>> a choice on this.
and on Jun 30, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Pierre Chatelier replied:
> I do not know anything about eps and pdf : font, embedding, vector
> outlines, and so on, are really a mystery for me. What I just see is
> that "the font of my text has changed in Illustrator".
Correct.
> You say that you can "embedd the fonts into an eps". What I understand
> is that the text will be preserved. Isn't it possible to do that with
> pdf ?
Yes, but .eps is more typically used as a graphic format in a
pre-press workflow, hence my suggesting it.
> And why should I have to use an external tool as Macromedia Freehands;
> pdflatex cannot do that ?
Macromedia FreeHand is an equivalent tool to Illustrator, so you could
place the graphic there and do the same sort of things you were
planning on using AI for.
> Sorry if I really miss the point, but I am really not used nor
> confident in this domain.
's alright.
Perhaps it'd be better if you described what you were attempting to do
--- Herbert Schulz's suggestion of using Warmreader et. al. is a good
one, and may be appropriate to your usage.
William
--
William Adams, publishing specialist
voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708
www.atlis.com
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:47:48 +0200
Le 30 juin 05 =E0 15:50, Frederick Hoyt a =E9crit :
> A follow-up: following suggestions by Bruno and Piet, I deleted any =20=
> and all babel-related files in my ~/Library/texmf tree and reran =20
> texhash. This allowed me to compile the document.
>
> I had placed the babel files under my ~/ tree because I had assumed =20=
> that they would work like other latex style files, in the sense =20
> that they can be located in either /usr/local/teTeX/ or in ~/=20
> Library/texmf, but apparently this was an incorrect assumption.
I see two possible explanations:
- The two babel in texmf.tetex on one side, and ~/Library/texmf on =20
the other side, belonged to different versions. And, depending on how =20=
exactly the install was done, it may happen that some babel files =20
were read by XeLaTeX from texmf.tetex and others from ~/, yielding =20
version mismatch.
- (More likely) What's special about babel is that some of its code =20
is read when creating the LaTeX formats (LaTeX, pdfLaTeX, =20
XeLaTeX, ...). For example, if you look at /usr/local/teTeX/share/=20
texmf.local/web2c/xelatex.log (the log file created when generating =20
the XeLaTeX format), you'll find:
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/tex/generic/babel/hyphen.cfg
File: hyphen.cfg 2004/11/20 v3.8d Babel language switching mechanism
\l@american=3D\language0
indicating hyphen.cfg from babel is included in the format. It may be =20=
that your installation of babel inside ~/ was conflicting with this =20
pre-built babel.
Bruno Voisin=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:50:59 +0200
Am 30.06.2005 um 16:31 schrieb Pierre Chatelier:
> pdflatex cannot do that ?
Yes, pdfTeX can do that too! But you too need to help pdfTeX achieve=20
this.
First you need to have the PostScript font versions of the old METAFONT=20=
fonts.
Second you need to make these PostScript fonts used by pdfTeX.
Goal No.1 is mostly satisfied by installing teTeX with i-Installer.=20
Could be some fonts are missing, but this will show up for example in=20
the log file.
Goal No.2 is a bit more complicated since you have to descend to the=20
command line, for example in Terminal, and invoke the utility programme=20=
'updmap' up to a few times with 'super user privileges!' updmap builds=20=
MAP files from MAP file fragments for the 'drivers' dvips and dvipdfm=20
and for pdfTeX too. These MAP files tell the programmes to use for a=20
specific TeX font a PostScript or a TrueType font. Both are vector=20
based, while the usual TeX fonts are described be the METAFONT language=20=
and then when needed rendered to bitmaps at a given resolution and=20
size. These bitmaps are then 'packed' (a simple run-length compression)=20=
into PK files to save some disk space.
We could start by invoking 'updmap --listmaps' on the command line ...=20=
This will tell all the known MAP file fragment files now used and=20
included into the one MAP file plus those that are waiting for being=20
added to the chosen few.
--
Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen
<]
Pete o __o |__ o recumbo
___o /I -\<, |o \ -\),-% ergo sum!
___/\ /\___./ \___...O/ O____.....`-O-'-()--o_________________
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Alan Curtis"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:00:55 -0400
On Jun 30, 2005, at 5:35 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a
> PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then
> Illustrator does not consider it as a mere image, but on the
> contrary recognized the symbols, and unfortunately replace them
> using another (ugly) font.
> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see
> that by myself.
> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
>
>
Some solutions.
1. Drag from LaTeXit to the Desktop. From within Illustrator select
File:Place and the pdf file. This will place the pdf in the
Illustrator document, but you won't be able to edit it.
2. Drag from LaTeXit to the Desktop. In a Terminal window run 'gs -
dNOPAUSE -dNOCACHE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=3Depswrite -sOutputFile=3Dlatex-
image-0.eps latex-image-0.pdf'. Open the eps file in Illustrator.
This outlines the fonts and so, again, you won't be able to edit the
text, but you can move elements around.
3. You could try putting Mac postscript versions of the LaTeX fonts
in Illustrator's font path. I have had some success with this in the
past, but it does not work for all formula due to the encoding
problems mentioned here.
Hope this helps.
Alan
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:03:09 -0400
On Jun 30, 2005, at 5:58 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
> On Jun 30, 2005, at 4:35 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
>
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a
>> PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then
>> Illustrator does not consider it as a mere image, but on the
>> contrary recognized the symbols, and unfortunately replace them
>> using another (ugly) font.
>> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see
>> that by myself.
>> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
>> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pierre Chatelier
>>
>> PS : I hope this mail is plain text, since I used the > Text> (Shift-Command-T) command of Apple's Mail app.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Howdy,
>
> That has been a problem with Illustrator for a long time. I'm still
> at Illustrator 10 so I can't comment on 11 or CS or whatever it's
> called now.
>
> The only real solution I've seen is to use WARMreader +
> WarmFigToPDF which works nicely.
>
A description of how to use the WARMreader + WARMFigToPDF can be
found at:
I will try and answer any questions you might have.
We have been using this approach to label figures for about three
years. It works very well, is very fast once you done a few figures,
and it makes it trivial to change fonts, notation, etc. should you
choose to do so (just re-typeset with the appropriate changes to the
preamble).
I hope this helps.
-- Gary
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Aaron Jackson"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:25:45 -0400
On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>
> On Jun 30, 2005, at 5:58 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Jun 30, 2005, at 4:35 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a
>>> PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then
>>> Illustrator does not consider it as a mere image, but on the
>>> contrary recognized the symbols, and unfortunately replace them
>>> using another (ugly) font.
>>> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see
>>> that by myself.
>>> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
>>> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre Chatelier
>>>
>>> PS : I hope this mail is plain text, since I used the >> Text> (Shift-Command-T) command of Apple's Mail app.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> That has been a problem with Illustrator for a long time. I'm still
>> at Illustrator 10 so I can't comment on 11 or CS or whatever it's
>> called now.
>>
>> The only real solution I've seen is to use WARMreader + WarmFigToPDF
>> which works nicely.
>>
>
> A description of how to use the WARMreader + WARMFigToPDF can be found
> at:
>
>
>
> I will try and answer any questions you might have.
>
> We have been using this approach to label figures for about three
> years. It works very well, is very fast once you done a few figures,
> and it makes it trivial to change fonts, notation, etc. should you
> choose to do so (just re-typeset with the appropriate changes to the
> preamble).
>
> I hope this helps.
Wow, that seems like a lot of work! I don't mean to turn this into a
"my work flow is better than yours" discussion and this is floating of
topic, but it seems that gnuplot can do everything you need and the
output is a combination of LaTeX and eps...
Aaron
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:40:34 -0400
On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Aaron Jackson wrote:
> On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>
>> On Jun 30, 2005, at 5:58 AM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2005, at 4:35 AM, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop
>>>> a PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then
>>>> Illustrator does not consider it as a mere image, but on the
>>>> contrary recognized the symbols, and unfortunately replace them
>>>> using another (ugly) font.
>>>> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see
>>>> that by myself.
>>>> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
>>>> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Chatelier
>>>>
>>>> PS : I hope this mail is plain text, since I used the >>> to Text> (Shift-Command-T) command of Apple's Mail app.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> That has been a problem with Illustrator for a long time. I'm
>>> still at Illustrator 10 so I can't comment on 11 or CS or
>>> whatever it's called now.
>>>
>>> The only real solution I've seen is to use WARMreader +
>>> WarmFigToPDF which works nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A description of how to use the WARMreader + WARMFigToPDF can be
>> found at:
>>
>>
>>
>> I will try and answer any questions you might have.
>>
>> We have been using this approach to label figures for about three
>> years. It works very well, is very fast once you done a few
>> figures, and it makes it trivial to change fonts, notation, etc.
>> should you choose to do so (just re-typeset with the appropriate
>> changes to the preamble).
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>
> Wow, that seems like a lot of work! I don't mean to turn this into
> a "my work flow is better than yours" discussion and this is
> floating of topic, but it seems that gnuplot can do everything you
> need and the output is a combination of LaTeX and eps...
No problem. We are always looking for alternatives. Of course, I
suspect you can't do figures like this:
or this:
in gnuplot. ;-)
-- Gary
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Subject: Fwd: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:45:21 +0200
Ok, it seems a difficult problem in fact.
But do not search too long for a complex solution, because I do not
use Illustrator; I was just wondering if I could do that "for free"
with a simple option of pdflatex. If it is complicated and requires
an external tool, I can just drop the idea.
> 2. Drag from LaTeXit to the Desktop. In a Terminal window run 'gs -
> dNOPAUSE -dNOCACHE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=3Depswrite -sOutputFile=3Dlatex-
> image-0.eps latex-image-0.pdf'. Open the eps file in Illustrator.
> This outlines the fonts and so, again, you won't be able to edit
> the text, but you can move elements around.
Yes, I had already tried that, but strangely enough, the eps
generated, even if it is well displayed by the MacOS X "Preview" app,
is not displayed in illustrator (only an empty box appears).
Pierre Chatelier
>> Hello,
>>
>> Some users of LaTeXiT has reported me that when you drag'n drop a
>> PDF equation generated by pdfLaTeX to Adobe Illustrator, then
>> Illustrator does not consider it as a mere image, but on the
>> contrary recognized the symbols, and unfortunately replace them
>> using another (ugly) font.
>> I have installed the Illustrator tryout version, and I could see
>> that by myself.
>> Do you think there is any latex option that could be used at pdf
>> generation, to get rid of this problem ?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Some solutions.
>
> 1. Drag from LaTeXit to the Desktop. From within Illustrator select
> File:Place and the pdf file. This will place the pdf in the
> Illustrator document, but you won't be able to edit it.
>
> 2. Drag from LaTeXit to the Desktop. In a Terminal window run 'gs -
> dNOPAUSE -dNOCACHE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=3Depswrite -sOutputFile=3Dlatex-
> image-0.eps latex-image-0.pdf'. Open the eps file in Illustrator.
> This outlines the fonts and so, again, you won't be able to edit
> the text, but you can move elements around.
>
> 3. You could try putting Mac postscript versions of the LaTeX fonts
> in Illustrator's font path. I have had some success with this in
> the past, but it does not work for all formula due to the encoding
> problems mentioned here.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Aaron Jackson"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:03 -0400
On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>>
>> Wow, that seems like a lot of work! I don't mean to turn this into a
>> "my work flow is better than yours" discussion and this is floating
>> of topic, but it seems that gnuplot can do everything you need and
>> the output is a combination of LaTeX and eps...
>
> No problem. We are always looking for alternatives. Of course, I
> suspect you can't do figures like this:
>
>
>
> or this:
>
>
>
> in gnuplot. ;-)
I see that I am not thinking globally enough. Of course, gnuplot is
designed to plot functions and sets of data points. I suppose one
could coerce gnuplot to produce similar output as shown in the above
examples, but that would be way too much work. However, gnuplot is a
great tool for the trajectory example shown on
http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/wftpdf/
Aaron
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:22:47 -0400
On Jun 30, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Aaron Jackson wrote:
>
> On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Wow, that seems like a lot of work! I don't mean to turn this
>>> into a "my work flow is better than yours" discussion and this is
>>> floating of topic, but it seems that gnuplot can do everything
>>> you need and the output is a combination of LaTeX and eps...
>>>
>>
>> No problem. We are always looking for alternatives. Of course, I
>> suspect you can't do figures like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> or this:
>>
>>
>>
>> in gnuplot. ;-)
>>
>
> I see that I am not thinking globally enough. Of course, gnuplot
> is designed to plot functions and sets of data points. I suppose
> one could coerce gnuplot to produce similar output as shown in the
> above examples, but that would be way too much work.
"Coerce" might not be quite the right word -- "bludgeon" might be
more appropriate. :-)
> However, gnuplot is a great tool for the trajectory example shown
> on http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/wftpdf/
I completely agree.
-- Gary
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Maarten Sneep"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:19:49 +0200
On 30 Jun 2005, at 17:45, Pierre Chatelier wrote:
> Ok, it seems a difficult problem in fact.
> But do not search too long for a complex solution, because I do not
> use Illustrator; I was just wondering if I could do that "for free"
> with a simple option of pdflatex. If it is complicated and requires
> an external tool, I can just drop the idea.
>
>
>> 2. Drag from LaTeXit to the Desktop. In a Terminal window run 'gs -
>> dNOPAUSE -dNOCACHE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=3Depswrite -sOutputFile=3Dlatex-
>> image-0.eps latex-image-0.pdf'. Open the eps file in Illustrator.
>> This outlines the fonts and so, again, you won't be able to edit
>> the text, but you can move elements around.
>>
> Yes, I had already tried that, but strangely enough, the eps
> generated, even if it is well displayed by the MacOS X "Preview"
> app, is not displayed in illustrator (only an empty box appears).
Which version of ghostscript do you have installed? Some of the
earlier 8 series did have a serious problem with this feature (which
is only intended to be used for debugging purposes). The current
version should work correctly and produce eps-files without fonts at
all.
Maarten
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] PDF from LaTeX and Adobe Illustrator
From: "Pierre Chatelier"
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:28:00 +0200
>>> 2. Drag from LaTeXit to the Desktop. In a Terminal window run 'gs
>>> -dNOPAUSE -dNOCACHE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=3Depswrite -sOutputFile=3Dlatex-
>>> image-0.eps latex-image-0.pdf'. Open the eps file in Illustrator.
>>> This outlines the fonts and so, again, you won't be able to edit
>>> the text, but you can move elements around.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I had already tried that, but strangely enough, the eps
>> generated, even if it is well displayed by the MacOS X "Preview"
>> app, is not displayed in illustrator (only an empty box appears).
>>
>>
>
> Which version of ghostscript do you have installed? Some of the
> earlier 8 series did have a serious problem with this feature
> (which is only intended to be used for debugging purposes). The
> current version should work correctly and produce eps-files without
> fonts at all.
>
$>gs -v
AFPL Ghostscript 8.00 (2002-11-21)
Copyright (C) 2002 artofcode LLC, Benicia, CA. All rights reserved.
But in fact, there's no problem : I am really a newbie to
Illustrator, and I finally found that I had to click some "Integrate"
button hidden somewhere in the status bar to really conclude the drop
operation, and make the EPS appear. Sorry for the noise.
Pierre
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Using Babel with I-Installer tex installation
From: "Piet van Oostrum"
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:16:34 +0200
>>>>> Frederick Hoyt (FH) wrote:
>FH> A follow-up: following suggestions by Bruno and Piet, I deleted any =
and all
>FH> babel-related files in my ~/Library/texmf tree and reran texhash. =
This
>FH> allowed me to compile the document.
By the way, if your only changes are in ~/Library/texmf, there is no need
to run texhash. texhash is to be used after changes in =
/usr/local/teTeX/...
--
Piet van Oostrum
URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP E17999C4]
Private email: piet@vanoostrum.org
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