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MacOSX-TeX Digest #1417 - Tuesday, June 28, 2005

  [OT] Postgres->Python->LaTeX
          by "Christian Heine" 

  Figure Wrap
          by "Jack Kuipers" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
          by "Samuel Lelievre" 

  [ANN] TCOBrowser-0.80
          by "Adam R. Maxwell" 

  is terminal sufficient?
          by "diana beatty" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Aaron Jackson" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "diana beatty" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Bruno Voisin" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "mark oilcan" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
          by "Jack Kuipers" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Alain B=E9langer" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Aaron Jackson" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
          by "Bob Kerstetter" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Curtis Clifton" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Maarten Sneep" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Claus Gerhardt" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] [OT] Postgres->Python->LaTeX
          by "Stephan Hochhaus" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
          by "Bruno Voisin" 

  Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
          by "Bruno Voisin" 

  weekly list reminder
          by "Gary L. Gray" 


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Subject: [OT] Postgres->Python->LaTeX
From: "Christian Heine" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:39:29 +1000

Dear list,
this is slightly off topic, but with the so many TeX genies and =20
programming gurus around I thought I might give it a go:

Does someone here have experience of how to generate LaTeX files (in =20
my case tables to be included in main doc) from a PostgreSQL database =20=

using Python? I am trying to generate a fairly comprehensive report =20
on sedimentary basins of different regions of the world where I would =20=

like to display certain properties of those basins in table format. =20
Just started looking into this whole business, not having any =20
experience with Python and limited experience with SQL. So far I have =20=

the impression that using Python as "glue" between the spatial =20
database and the final output is kinda ok and allows a smoother =20
workflow than using bash (which doesn't go that well with SQL DBs) =20
and awk.

Would be very grateful for suggestions, pointers in the right =20
direction and shared experiences, happy to receive comments off-list!

Cheers from Sydney,
Christian

--
Christian Heine
ph.d. student

         USIMS       |    University of Sydney
                     |    Institute of Marine Science
                     |    Sydney, Australia

P +61 2 9351 4257   =95   F +61 2 9351 0184
http://www.geosci.usyd.edu.au/users/christian/
http://www.geosci.usyd.edu.au/about/people/pgrads/heine.html


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Subject: Figure Wrap
From: "Jack Kuipers" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:34:33 -0400


I am a devoted user of TeXShop 1.35e (with endless thanks to Richard 
Koch, Gerben Weirda, et.al.) on my  G4 PowerMac and/or G4 Powerbook --- 
both under OSX 10.3.9   ('Am planning an upgrade to Tiger --- but, not 
'til MY next life --- where, presumably, TIME, patience and 
infirmaties, no longer restrict).  Anyway, ...

Is there a package, utility, or whatever in TeXShop 1.5.3e 
(specifically)/TeX/LaTeX (with instructions), for wrapping text around 
a small included figure? where, the figure (with caption) may be 
against either(?)  the right or left text-boundary.


In advance
Thank you,

Jack Kuipers


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
From: "Samuel Lelievre" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:44:48 +0200

Jack wrote:

>Is there a package, utility, or whatever in TeXShop 1.5.3e 
>(specifically)/TeX/LaTeX (with instructions), for wrapping
>text around a small included figure? where, the figure (with
>caption) may be against either(?) the right or left text-boundary.

Use the package wrapfig; its documentation will teach
you how to use it, it works very nicely. It defines the
environments wrapfigure for wrapping around figures and
wraptable for wrapping around tables. Enjoy it! Samuel.

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Subject: [ANN] TCOBrowser-0.80
From: "Adam R. Maxwell" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:04:04 -0700

The TCOBrowser development team (yours truly) is pleased to announce  
that a new release is available at .  This  
release has a new version of the TeX Catalogue, fresh from CVS as of  
27 June 2005, and has some new features as well.

NOTE:  I forgot to mention in the release notes that the "Authors"  
table column won't show up unless you delete your preferences file,  
at ~/Library/Preferences/net.sourceforge.tcobrowser.plist.  Sorry for  
the inconvenience.  Also, this version will be slow to launch:  if  
you want it to launch faster, you can disable the local documentation  
searching in Preferences, at the expense of some functionality.

Please file bug reports at , and if you see something on my To Do  
list at  that you'd like to  
volunteer for, let me know!  Feature requests are welcome also, but I  
hardly have time to update the To Do list.

Complete release notes follow:

Version 0.80
- Use the texcatalogue.xml file in the bundle if it is newer
- No more caching of local docs list, or of the TeX catalogue itself
- Fixed numerous memory leaks
- Sorting and searching are faster
- Code is more object-oriented and generally less bizarre
- No longer have to relaunch after updating to a new TeX catalogue
- Removed some annoying console log messages
- Double-click on splitview divider will now collapse or expand the  
detail pane
- Detail pane displays more detail now
- Font in detail pane is actually readable
- Update checking now runs in a background thread
- Latest XML version of the TeX catalogue is supported
- Authors are now shown in the table, and are searchable

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Subject: is terminal sufficient?
From: "diana beatty" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:10:21 -0600

Hi, I am just setting out trying to teach myself TeX.  I downloaded gwTeX
and figured out how to create TeX files using Unix from the terminal on my
Mac, and how to compile them there into pdf's or whatever.

Can TeX programming be done from Unix alone or is something like TeXShop
really necessary?  What do those additional programs do that can't be done
through the terminal?

Thanks,
diana beatty


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Aaron Jackson" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:25:15 -0400

On Jun 28, 2005, at 11:10 AM, diana beatty wrote:

> Hi, I am just setting out trying to teach myself TeX.  I downloaded 
> gwTeX
> and figured out how to create TeX files using Unix from the terminal 
> on my
> Mac, and how to compile them there into pdf's or whatever.
>
> Can TeX programming be done from Unix alone or is something like 
> TeXShop
> really necessary?  What do those additional programs do that can't be 
> done
> through the terminal?

TeX, like every other ancient UNIX program, was designed to use the 
terminal because GUI's didn't exist.  The only thing that TexShop 
provides is a nice easy non-UNIX way to edit documents.  I suppose a 
purest would consider that lazy...

Aaron


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "diana beatty" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:38:41 -0600

Well, if I'm just using say Pico in Unix to write my programs and edit =
them,
I guess I just don't see the advantage of TeXShop or something similar
unless it made fixing errors easier or something; granted I haven't =
actually
done much yet to know what I'm talking about, either.

diana beatty

On 6/28/05 9:25 AM, "Aaron Jackson"  wrote:

> On Jun 28, 2005, at 11:10 AM, diana beatty wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I am just setting out trying to teach myself TeX.  I downloaded
>> gwTeX
>> and figured out how to create TeX files using Unix from the terminal
>> on my
>> Mac, and how to compile them there into pdf's or whatever.
>> 
>> Can TeX programming be done from Unix alone or is something like
>> TeXShop
>> really necessary?  What do those additional programs do that can't be
>> done
>> through the terminal?
> 
> TeX, like every other ancient UNIX program, was designed to use the
> terminal because GUI's didn't exist.  The only thing that TexShop
> provides is a nice easy non-UNIX way to edit documents.  I suppose a
> purest would consider that lazy...
> 
> Aaron
> 
> --------------------- Info ---------------------
> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> List Post: 
> 
> 

-- 
It is narrated that the Prophet (saw) has said:

Everything rightful has a truth in it and no man will reach the
truth of devotion unless he does not wish to be praised for what he
has done for the sake of Allah.

Odattol Daee


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Bruno Voisin" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:47:25 +0200


Le 28 juin 05 =E0 17:25, Aaron Jackson a =E9crit :

> TeX, like every other ancient UNIX program, was designed to use the =20=

> terminal because GUI's didn't exist.  The only thing that TexShop =20
> provides is a nice easy non-UNIX way to edit documents.  I suppose =20
> a purest would consider that lazy...

In Tiger, it provides also a new synchronization method (between .tex =20=

source file and .pdf output) based on Tiger's PDF search =20
functionality, instead of the standard method based on inserting =20
specials in the output. Not as precise as Textures synchronicity =20
(generally to the character), but more precise that the standard =20
methods (to the paragraph).

It also offers a way to copy arbitrary parts of any page of the PDF =20
output, in PDF or JPEG, PNG, etc. format, for pasting this part in =20
GUI applications. For example for pasting formulas in a PowerPoint or =20=

Keynote document.

There are also a LaTeX palette (for inserting characters or =20
environments) and a matrix palette (for creating tables or matrices).

There are most probably other enhancements, which I just don't =20
remember right now.

For more elaborate functionality and workflow control (setting up =20
projects, and -- I'm not sure -- using CVS, and much more) there is =20
iTeXMac.

You might also prefer:

- Alpha, a shareware emacs-like (but based on Tcl) editor with =20
elaborate LaTeX functionality. You can operate most -- or maybe all =20
-- of gwTex from within it.

- The various OS X ports of Emacs, which generally include AUCTeX and =20=

sometimes more. It's difficult to say more not being an Emacs user =20
myself, but there's:

     Enhanced Carbon Emacs  (no longer developed, but widely used)
     Carbon Emacs 
     Yet Another Carbon Emacs Distribution 
     AquaMacs 
     Emacs on Aqua 

HTH,

Bruno Voisin=

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "mark oilcan" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:26:20 -0700 (PDT)


--- Bruno Voisin  wrote:

>=20
> Le 28 juin 05 =E0 17:25, Aaron Jackson a =E9crit :
>=20
> > TeX, like every other ancient UNIX program, was designed to use the
> =20
> > terminal because GUI's didn't exist.  The only thing that TexShop =20
> > provides is a nice easy non-UNIX way to edit documents.  I suppose=20
>=20
> > a purest would consider that lazy...
>=20

I am also someone who hasn't found a particular use for programs such
as TexShop or iTexMac. There are a variety of frills these programs
provide, which can, understandably, appeal to some people but don't
really contribute to my personal workflow. I find that 99% of the time
I'm just using a text editor, so finding an editor I'm happy with is
most important. It's possbile to use your choice of editors in TexShop,
at least, although pico may not be an option. You may find, after you
start to create larger and more complicated documents that the added
frills are beneficial, or, like me, you may not.


> - The various OS X ports of Emacs, which generally include AUCTeX and
> =20
> sometimes more. It's difficult to say more not being an Emacs user =20
> myself, but there's:
>=20
>      Enhanced Carbon Emacs  emacs/> (no longer developed, but widely used)
>      Carbon Emacs 
>      Yet Another Carbon Emacs Distribution  yaced.sourceforge.net/>
>      AquaMacs 
>      Emacs on Aqua 
>=20

For the record, there's also Carbon Xemacs
http://members.shaw.ca/akochoi-xemacs/index.html

Carbon Xemacs doesn't come as a binary so you do have to execute the
(rather simple) build instructions.

Mark A


	=09
__________________________________=20
Do you Yahoo!?=20
Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search.=20
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
From: "Jack Kuipers" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:41:14 -0400

Thank you Samuel.  BUT
Where do I find the package{wrapfig}
and its documentation?
Sorry I'm so obtuse!

Blessings,

Jack
On Jun 28, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Samuel Lelievre wrote:

> Jack wrote:
>
>> Is there a package, utility, or whatever in TeXShop 1.5.3e 
>> (specifically)/TeX/LaTeX (with instructions), for wrapping
>> text around a small included figure? where, the figure (with
>> caption) may be against either(?) the right or left text-boundary.
>
> Use the package wrapfig; its documentation will teach
> you how to use it, it works very nicely. It defines the
> environments wrapfigure for wrapping around figures and
> wraptable for wrapping around tables. Enjoy it! Samuel.
> --------------------- Info ---------------------
> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>           & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> List Post: 
>


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Alain B=E9langer" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:14:49 -0400

Better to use TexShop than Pico.

On 28 Jun, 2005, at 11:10, diana beatty wrote:

> Hi, I am just setting out trying to teach myself TeX.  I downloaded  
> gwTeX
> and figured out how to create TeX files using Unix from the  
> terminal on my
> Mac, and how to compile them there into pdf's or whatever.
>
> Can TeX programming be done from Unix alone or is something like  
> TeXShop
> really necessary?  What do those additional programs do that can't  
> be done
> through the terminal?
>
> Thanks,
> diana beatty
>
> --------------------- Info ---------------------
> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>            & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> List Post: 
>
>


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Aaron Jackson" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:28:28 -0400

On Jun 28, 2005, at 11:47 AM, Bruno Voisin wrote:

>
> Le 28 juin 05 =E0 17:25, Aaron Jackson a =E9crit :
>
>> TeX, like every other ancient UNIX program, was designed to use the=20=

>> terminal because GUI's didn't exist.  The only thing that TexShop=20
>> provides is a nice easy non-UNIX way to edit documents.  I suppose a=20=

>> purest would consider that lazy...
>
> In Tiger, ...

I guess I shouldn't have said "The only thing..."  as there are several=20=

other nice things that you get using TexShop or iTexMac.  However, if=20
the OP doesn't need any of the fancy features, using TeX via the=20
command line is fine also.  Bottom line: Edit your documents in=20
whatever you prefer, but most people prefer to use TexShop, iTexMac or=20=

similar.

Aaron=


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
From: "Bob Kerstetter" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:53:12 -0500

it's part of the i-package install.

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty

i don't install the documentation, so don't know where it is.

mini manual follows:    :)


in your preamble enter:

\usepackage{wrapfig}


samples:


\begin{wrapfigure}[11]{r}[0pt]{0pt}
\includegraphics[scale=3D.7]{yourimage}
\end{wrapfigure}
blah blah blah blah

\begin{wrapfigure}[11]{l}[0pt]{0pt}
\includegraphics[scale=3D.7]{yourimage}
\end{wrapfigure}
blah blah blah blah

You can pretty much play around with the setting and figure out what  
they do.

r and l control which side things wrap on.

11 sets the number of lines to wrap.

0pt are offsets



On Jun 28, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Jack Kuipers wrote:

> Thank you Samuel.  BUT
> Where do I find the package{wrapfig}
> and its documentation?
> Sorry I'm so obtuse!
>
> Blessings,
>
> Jack
> On Jun 28, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Samuel Lelievre wrote:
>
>
>> Jack wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Is there a package, utility, or whatever in TeXShop 1.5.3e  
>>> (specifically)/TeX/LaTeX (with instructions), for wrapping
>>> text around a small included figure? where, the figure (with
>>> caption) may be against either(?) the right or left text-boundary.
>>>
>>
>> Use the package wrapfig; its documentation will teach
>> you how to use it, it works very nicely. It defines the
>> environments wrapfigure for wrapping around figures and
>> wraptable for wrapping around tables. Enjoy it! Samuel.
>> --------------------- Info ---------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>           & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Post: 
>>
>>
>
> --------------------- Info ---------------------
> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>           & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> List Post: 
>
>
>

Bob Kerstetter
http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Curtis Clifton" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:59:11 -0500

In considering editors for TeX documents on the Mac, don't forget 
BBEdit, and its free cousin TextWrangler.  I was a long-time Emacs 
user, and used it on the Mac for awhile.  But I've been using BBEdit 
for the past couple of years and have been very pleased.  I find that 
the ``context switching'' cost moving between BBEdit and other Mac 
applications is lower for me than when I was using Emacs.

Cheers,

Curt

----------------------------------
Curtis Clifton, PhD Candidate
Dept. of Computer Science, Iowa State University
http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~cclifton


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Maarten Sneep" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:16:01 +0200

On 28 Jun 2005, at 17:10, diana beatty wrote:

> Hi, I am just setting out trying to teach myself TeX.  I downloaded  
> gwTeX
> and figured out how to create TeX files using Unix from the  
> terminal on my
> Mac, and how to compile them there into pdf's or whatever.
>
> Can TeX programming be done from Unix alone or is something like  
> TeXShop
> really necessary?  What do those additional programs do that can't  
> be done
> through the terminal?

The beauty of TeX is that the source is just plain text, ascii even  
(though you may want to take advantage of other character encodings  
for accents and the like). So any editor will work (vim, emacs, pico,  
or more Mac-like editors, like TextWrangler, BBEdit, Xcode, Alpha).  
Or one of the specially designed tools (TeXShop, iTeXMac, ...).

The Mac-like editors and special tools will offer code navigation, so  
you can find your chapters more easily. For short texts, this is not  
an issue, once you have a thesis or a really long article, you'll  
appreciate those menus. To be fair: vim and emacs offer those items  
as well, should you prefer those editors.

In principle everything is done through the terminal - the tools  
provide easy access. The one thing that became considerably easier it  
the source-preview (and back) navigation: spot a mistake in the  
preview, click on it, and see the mistake in the source, fix it, re- 
run and jump back to the preview. emacs and xdvi have this, and  
TeXShop and iTeXMac offer the same on Mac OS X, TeXniscope and an  
external editor also offers the same feature.

Hope this is clear

Maarten

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Claus Gerhardt" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:46:53 +0200

Entering the commands in the terminal can be tedious, while in  
TeXShop or BBEdit+Applescripts it is just a click. The  
synchronization, error spotting and various tools which add comfort  
and productivity to your work will convince after a while that using  
the terminal is like using a cranky clutch when you could have a fine  
automatic transmission.

Claus



On Jun 28, 2005, at 17:10, diana beatty wrote:

> Hi, I am just setting out trying to teach myself TeX.  I downloaded  
> gwTeX
> and figured out how to create TeX files using Unix from the  
> terminal on my
> Mac, and how to compile them there into pdf's or whatever.
>
> Can TeX programming be done from Unix alone or is something like  
> TeXShop
> really necessary?  What do those additional programs do that can't  
> be done
> through the terminal?
>
> Thanks,
> diana beatty
>
> --------------------- Info ---------------------
> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>            & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> List Post: 
>
>
>


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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] [OT] Postgres->Python->LaTeX
From: "Stephan Hochhaus" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:01:45 +0200


Am 28.06.2005 um 14:39 schrieb Christian Heine:

> Would be very grateful for suggestions, pointers in the right  
> direction and shared experiences, happy to receive comments off-list!
Maybe this FAQ entry helps:
http://latex.yauh.de/faq/index.php? 
aktion=3Dartikel&rubrik=3D008&id=3D49&lang=3Den

It talks about extracting data from a (My)SQL database, which  
shouldn't be very different from pgsql. Although texdbi ( http:// 
freshmeat.net/projects/texdbi/ ) is not under active development  
anymore it should be quite easy to extract data from a SQL database  
and addd some LaTeX markup. Since I have no Python knowledge I'd use  
Perl, which has a database independet approach (DBI) and then I'd  
fetch the relevant data to an array or a variable and do something  
along these lines:
$table_row =3D "$sql_query[0] & $sql_query[1] & $sql_query[2] \\";

Well, in general you'd only constuct the tex textfile using python/ 
perl/php and that would require some (rather basic) programming  
skills. If you need any more help I'd gladly give you a hand and  
support you in developing a solution, although only if you decide to  
use perl/php.

Stephan

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Figure Wrap
From: "Bruno Voisin" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:18:14 +0200

Le 28 juin 05 =E0 19:53, Bob Kerstetter a =E9crit :

> it's part of the i-package install.
>
> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty
>
> i don't install the documentation, so don't know where it is.

There's a /Library/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/doc/latex/wrapfig/multiple-=20=

span.txt, but it's not the actual documentation: as for other =20
packages by Donald Arseneau, like the url package /Library/teTeX/=20
share/texmf.tetex/tex/latex/url/url.sty, the wrapfig package /Library/=20=

teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty contains its =20
own documentation, in the form of short comments at the beginning of =20
this file and a detailed manual at the end of the file, after \endinput.

Bruno Voisin=

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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] is terminal sufficient?
From: "Bruno Voisin" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:40:45 +0200

Le 28 juin 05 =E0 18:26, mark oilcan a =E9crit :

> I am also someone who hasn't found a particular use for programs such
> as TexShop or iTexMac. There are a variety of frills these programs
> provide, which can, understandably, appeal to some people but don't
> really contribute to my personal workflow. I find that 99% of the time
> I'm just using a text editor, so finding an editor I'm happy with is
> most important. It's possbile to use your choice of editors in =20
> TexShop,
> at least, although pico may not be an option. You may find, after you
> start to create larger and more complicated documents that the added
> frills are beneficial, or, like me, you may not.

I'm just the opposite type: 14 years ago, coming (in chronological =20
order) from All-in-One on Vax/VMS, Mathor and ChiWriter on MS-DOS, =20
and MacWrite on the Mac, I would never have even considered TeX had I =20=

not been presented with the integrated Textures: one window for =20
editing the source, one window for previewing the output, one window =20
to insert pictures, one window for console output; one menu for file =20
maintenance (opening and saving) and for printing, one menu for =20
editing commands, one menu for typesetting commands, one menu for =20
previewer switches, and one menu for window management. This was all =20
as it should be, did I think at the time; and I still do. I precisely =20=

like TeXShop for being as close to Textures as can be, with all the =20
additional goodies and responsiveness that open-source development =20
can provide.

Well, =AB tous les go=FBts sont dans la nature =BB ("it takes all sorts =
to =20
make a world")!

Bruno Voisin=

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Subject: weekly list reminder
From: "Gary L. Gray" 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:23:43 -0400

It happened again today, so I will post this every week until  
everyone (I know that is too much to hope for) gets the message. :-)

(1) Please do not start a new thread (with the corresponding new  
subject) by replying to a post from another thread. If you do this,  
email clients, such as Apple's Mail, will then put all of these  
messages together making it very difficult to find information.

(2) Please use *plain* text when posting to the list -- it makes the  
archives much easier to read. This is done in Apple's Mail by going to:

Mail > Preferences > Composing

and then choosing plain text as the Message Format.

Thank you,

-- Gary
    (the guy running the list)


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