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MacOSX-TeX Digest #1383 - Wednesday, May 25, 2005
Re: [OS X TeX] Line thickness in TeXShop preview (and Preview.app) on Tig
by "Bruno Voisin"
Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] Line thickness in TeXShop preview (and Preview.app) on Tig
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
by "Peter Dyballa"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
by "Maarten Sneep"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
by "Claus Gerhardt"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
by "Bruno Voisin"
a4 unused
by "Jason Davies"
Re: [OS X TeX] a4 unused
by "Franck Pastor"
Re: [OS X TeX] a4 unused
by "Jason Davies"
Re: [OS X TeX] a4 unused
by "Norm Gall"
Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Reply to Bruno (hard wrapping)
by "Lee Phillips"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
by "William F. Adams"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
by "mark oilcan"
Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
by "Maarten Sneep"
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Line thickness in TeXShop preview (and Preview.app) on Tiger
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:48:31 +0200
On 25 mai 05, at 00:47, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> I just spent half an hour fighting with tabs, just to realize these
> simply don't work: you can create tabs in the ruler, and then press
> the tab key on your keyboard, this key will actually insert only
> spaces (one each time it's pressed), not navigate from one tab to
> the next.
It was, of course, a silly error I had made: tabs aren't effective in
justified text. Change to left-aligned, and the tabs work as they
should.
Bruno Voisin
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Subject: Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:01:54 +0200
Hello,
I was just asked by a colleague -- TeXShop convert from a few months =20
ago -- whether there is in TeXShop a functionality for marking =20
changes in a document written collaboratively by several persons, =E0 =20=
la Word, namely by (assuming I understood correctly, given I don't =20
use Word myself for writing):
- Putting in different colors pieces of text written or modified by =20
different persons.
- Putting delete bars through deleted text.
I imagine this is not a job for a front-end like TeXShop, and that =20
the functionality has instead to be looked for in a dedicated LaTeX =20
package. I mentioned the changebar package, but it doesn't do all the =20=
things my colleague is willing to do.
Has anybody here experience with a more sophisticated solution? =20
(Versioning systems like CVS or subversion aside, which would be =20
considered overkill and too technical for the problem at hand -- and =20
for me as well.)
Bruno Voisin=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Line thickness in TeXShop preview (and Preview.app) on Tiger
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:17:52 +0200
Le 25 mai 05 =E0 00:47, Bruno Voisin a =E9crit :
> [OT'er-than-the-rest rant: I'm getting really fed up by all the =20
> bugs everywhere in Pages. [...] Similarly Copy and Paste Styles in =20
> second-level lists just doesn't work: it's always the style for =20
> first-level lists that will be pasted, even though you took care to =20=
> copy beforehand the style from a second-level list item.
What happens actually is that, when copying the style of a list item =20
of a certain level, the style of all list levels up to and including =20
this level is copied. When you paste this style in another list, it =20
is indeed pasted correctly, but the list level is reset to 1. =20
Increasing then the level as required, you get the desired result.
Imagine for example you copy the style of a list item of level 3 =20
(item of a sub-sub-list), and paste it in another item. This level of =20=
this latter item will be reset to 1, and you'll have to reset it =20
manually to 3 to get the expected layout.
On a logical basis that makes sense, but it's a bit disconcerting at =20
first.
Bruno Voisin=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
From: "Peter Dyballa"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:28:29 +0200
Am 25.05.2005 um 16:01 schrieb Bruno Voisin:
> Has anybody here experience with a more sophisticated solution?
Latexdiff can compare two files and create a reasonable output as a
third file ... an entry to automate such things.
Since I think there are only some macros in memoir, the vertbars, and
of course the changebar packages, and the latter ones are pretty old
and kind of unsupported and not (yet) supporting pdfTeX, it shouldn't
be that difficult to teach TeXShop hilighting of the marked-up text by
using background colour, a stipple, or such means. Could become an
impressive feature!
WinEDT has the option to keep via RCS different versions of a LaTeX
source. Once you like, it can compare them and create via changebar a
comparison!
--
Geetings
Pete
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
From: "Maarten Sneep"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:30:35 +0200
On 25 May 2005, at 16:01, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> I was just asked by a colleague -- TeXShop convert from a few =20
> months ago -- whether there is in TeXShop a functionality for =20
> marking changes in a document written collaboratively by several =20
> persons, =E0 la Word, namely by (assuming I understood correctly, =20
> given I don't use Word myself for writing):
>
> - Putting in different colors pieces of text written or modified by =20=
> different persons.
> - Putting delete bars through deleted text.
>
> I imagine this is not a job for a front-end like TeXShop, and that =20
> the functionality has instead to be looked for in a dedicated LaTeX =20=
> package.
Not in TeXShop itself, but there are scripts out there that will =20
help. I've included some helpful links at the bottom of this mail. =20
The 'changebars' link mentions latexdiff, which takes two versions of =20=
the same document, and marks the differences in a few colours (in =20
old, in new, in both). I think this is as sophisticated as it gets. =20
It is a perl script though, and calling probably requires a trip to =20
the terminal.
Accepting or rejecting changes (i.e. merging revisions) is probably =20
easiest using BBEdit or TextWrangler or FileMerge (part of the =20
developer tools. This doesn't use formatted output though, and a =20
colour print of the latexdiff output used with a pencil is probably =20
the easiest way to sift through a lot of changes.
> I mentioned the changebar package, but it doesn't do all the things =20=
> my colleague is willing to do.
Looking back to the above: How many versions do you need to merge: =20
two is readily available, any more will require manual intervention =20
probably with the comments package. Striking out deleted text is a =20
diff with an older version with marking deleted text as strike out =20
and added text in a colour (presumably). It may require some manual =20
labour though. It may actually be easier to compare just two at a time.
The ulem package provides a \sout{} command to strike out parts of a =20
text.
> Has anybody here experience with a more sophisticated solution? =20
> (Versioning systems like CVS or subversion aside, which would be =20
> considered overkill and too technical for the problem at hand -- =20
> and for me as well.)
I have written on projects under version control, both a =20
collaborative article and my thesis (the latter obviously alone). I =20
can wholeheartedly recommend to use it for larger projects, and if =20
you write something like a thesis without it, I think you must be =20
nuts (or you may go nuts if a file goes *poof*). Especially on a =20
university the infrastructure is most likely in place, and I think =20
you'll find a system administrator more than willing to help you =20
setting it up (I did it myself, the O'Reilly website contains enough =20
free material to get you started, after that you can use CVL or =20
BBEdit to manage normal day-to-day routines)
Just my =800.02
Maarten
Links:
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=3Dchangebars
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=3Dconditional
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=3DRCS
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=3Dunderline
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
From: "Claus Gerhardt"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:36:33 +0200
The \marginpar command, like \marginpar{Bruno}, in conjunction with =20
an if then construction to switch it on and off might be what you want.
Claus
On May 25, 2005, at 16:01, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was just asked by a colleague -- TeXShop convert from a few =20
> months ago -- whether there is in TeXShop a functionality for =20
> marking changes in a document written collaboratively by several =20
> persons, =E0 la Word, namely by (assuming I understood correctly, =20
> given I don't use Word myself for writing):
>
> - Putting in different colors pieces of text written or modified by =20=
> different persons.
>
> - Putting delete bars through deleted text.
>
> I imagine this is not a job for a front-end like TeXShop, and that =20
> the functionality has instead to be looked for in a dedicated LaTeX =20=
> package. I mentioned the changebar package, but it doesn't do all =20
> the things my colleague is willing to do.
>
> Has anybody here experience with a more sophisticated solution? =20
> (Versioning systems like CVS or subversion aside, which would be =20
> considered overkill and too technical for the problem at hand -- =20
> and for me as well.)
>
> Bruno Voisin--------------------- Info ---------------------
> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
> & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> List Post:
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work in TeXShop?
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:52:23 +0200
Peter, Maarten, Claus: Many thanks. I have forwarded your answers to
my colleague. The links to the TeX FAQ are especially nice; I really
need to learn how to formulate questions efficiently there.
Bruno
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Subject: a4 unused
From: "Jason Davies"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:09:45 +0100
running TeXShop on 10.3, I notice that I am always told that LaTeX Warning:=
Unused global option(s):
[a4].
=20
=20
the resulting pdf seems to be US letter.
=20
er...can I persuade it to use a4? the opening of the document I'm curre=
ntly using is
=20
=20
\documentclass[a4, 10 pt]{report}
\usepackage {times}
\usepackage{array, times, fancyhdr}
\pagestyle{fancy}
\lhead{left heading}
\rhead{Dr Jason Davies}
% \lfoot{{\small\textit{Jason Davies \today}}}=20
=20
\usepackage{hyperref}
\setcounter {secnumdepth}{0}=20
\begin{document}
(looks like it needs some pruning, but the point remains...)
TIA
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] a4 unused
From: "Franck Pastor"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:14:50 +0200
Le 25-mai-05, =E0 17:09, Jason Davies a =E9crit :
> running TeXShop on 10.3, I notice that I am always told that LaTeX=20
> Warning: Unused global option(s):
> [a4].
The right option is "a4paper" ;-)
Regards,
F. Pastor
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] a4 unused
From: "Jason Davies"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:17:59 +0100
>The right option is "a4paper" ;-)
oops. thanks...
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] a4 unused
From: "Norm Gall"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:16:09 -0600
On 25-May-05, at 09:09 hrs, Jason Davies wrote:
> running TeXShop on 10.3, I notice that I am always told that LaTeX
> Warning: Unused global option(s):
> [a4].
>
>
> the resulting pdf seems to be US letter.
>
> er...can I persuade it to use a4? the opening of the document
> I'm currently using is
>
>
> \documentclass[a4, 10 pt]{report}
Try \documentclass[a4paper,10pt]{report}
ng
--
There's something the technicians need to learn from the artists.
If it isn't aesthetically pleasing, it's probably wrong.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Reply to Bruno (hard wrapping)
From: "Lee Phillips"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:03:19 -0400
> I bought an app called SmartWrap a while ago that builds this
> functionality into all text windows. It seems silly to pay $20 to
> augment a free program, but it's one solution. Wrapping and re-wrapping
> is a nuisance, but it's helpful if you share the editing with Linux
> users, who usually hate super-long lines.
If you mean wrapping on command after editing rather than hard-wrapping
as you type, you certainly don't need to buy anything to get this. You can
install TextExtras ,
which is a free Cocoa inputmanager that adds all sorts of goodies that
you can use in any Cocoa program (even in text-entry form boxes in =
Safari).
One of the things you can do is pipe your text (all or a selection)
through any shell command, so you can pipe your document through the =
"fold"
command to wrap it. You can write scripts that act on your text and have
them listed in a special scripts menu with keyboard shortcuts associated.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:15:02 +0200
For a frontend to support this, it would need an extended document/=20
file structure (e.g. wrapper) which would have to keep track of =20
changes instead of writing just a situation. Som sort of support for =20
compiling that into output a la Word with visible document history =20
would then be possible in principle but it would also need some TeX =20
macro support.
Looks like a nice project for J=E9r=F4me and iTeXMac
G
On 25 May 2005, at 16:01, Bruno Voisin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was just asked by a colleague -- TeXShop convert from a few =20
> months ago -- whether there is in TeXShop a functionality for =20
> marking changes in a document written collaboratively by several =20
> persons, =E0 la Word, namely by (assuming I understood correctly, =20
> given I don't use Word myself for writing):
>
> - Putting in different colors pieces of text written or modified by =20=
> different persons.
>
> - Putting delete bars through deleted text.
>
> I imagine this is not a job for a front-end like TeXShop, and that =20
> the functionality has instead to be looked for in a dedicated LaTeX =20=
> package. I mentioned the changebar package, but it doesn't do all =20
> the things my colleague is willing to do.
>
> Has anybody here experience with a more sophisticated solution? =20
> (Versioning systems like CVS or subversion aside, which would be =20
> considered overkill and too technical for the problem at hand -- =20
> and for me as well.)
>
> Bruno Voisin--------------------- Info ---------------------
> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
> & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
> List Post:
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
From: "William F. Adams"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:32:27 -0400
Well, I'm given to understand LyX does have support for changebars and
revision tracking in the developer code and that some users have
managed to compile versions w/ that feature enabled for personal use...
William
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
From: "mark oilcan"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
Acrobat 7.0 Professional allows one to create pdf that can be marked up
using Adobe Reader 7. Does anyone know if this functionality is part of
the (open) pdf standard which could (in principle at least) be included
in (pdf[la])tex? Of course, you would still have to bring the changes
back into your latex file. It would also be nice to have something
besides Adobe Reader that could do the marking up....
Mark A
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Functionality for collaborative work
From: "Maarten Sneep"
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:54:18 +0200
On 25 May 2005, at 22:44, mark oilcan wrote:
> Acrobat 7.0 Professional allows one to create pdf that can be
> marked up
> using Adobe Reader 7. Does anyone know if this functionality is
> part of
> the (open) pdf standard which could (in principle at least) be
> included
> in (pdf[la])tex? Of course, you would still have to bring the changes
> back into your latex file.
Context has some facilities for adding the post-it like notes to pdf
files, but that is from the source. The underlying raw \TeX code
could be used in pdflatex as well, I think. There is also a package
for latex called attachfile which may be of interest.
The encryption technique to allow Adobe Reader to do this is not
publicly available.
> It would also be nice to have something besides Adobe Reader that
> could do the marking up....
Preview in Tiger can do this, and Tiger offers the raw functionality
to add this to other viewers as well.
HTMH,
Maarten
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