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MacOSX-TeX Digest #522 - Thursday, December 26, 2002
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
by "Adrian Heathcote"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
by "Michael Betsch"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
by "William Adams"
Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
by "Bruce D'Arcus"
Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
by "Bob Kerstetter"
Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
by "Bruce D'Arcus"
Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
by "Bob Kerstetter"
Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
by "Bruce D'Arcus"
Re: cool ConTeXt stuff
by "Bruce D'Arcus"
[OS X TeX] Gray shading on a shadow box
by "Stuart Thayer"
cool ConTeXt stuff
by "Adam Lindsay"
Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #521 - 12/25/02
by "Adam Lindsay"
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
From: "Adrian Heathcote"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:15:07 +1100
Steve--
I'm in the same position. Latex2rtf is part of GW's distribution. So it
can be installed with i-installer. However it is *very* finicky and
will likely choke on a long document. Or produce something only
marginally better than saving to rtf in Acrobat. I would cut the
manuscript into short blocks of about 10 pages and convert one,
followed by the necessary clean up. Then move to the next.
Going from latex to word is harder in my experience than going from
word-->rtf-->latex.
But it is a painful process either way. (I have a two hundred page
manuscript that is now half in latex and half in word. I'm still in the
process of converting. But, on the upside, whichever format the
publisher ultimately wants, I'm half way there!)
HTH
Adrian Heathcote
On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 11:47 AM, Stephen Anderson wrote:
> Is there a way to convert a LaTeX document accurately to something MS
> Word can read? I tried opening the .pdf file in Acrobat and saving it
> as rtf, but the result was a mess when I opened in in Word.
>
> I have a very long manuscript (ca. 300 pages) with various embedded
> .eps figures, etc., but my publisher may insist (at the last minute)
> on something in Word format. The pdf file produced by pdflatex opens
> fine in Acrobat, and I imagine there must be some way to convert this
> to Word (or at least rtf).
>
> -- Steve Anderson
>
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
From: "Michael Betsch"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:15:10 +0100 (CET)
> Is there a way to convert a LaTeX document accurately to something MS
> Word can read? I tried opening the .pdf file in Acrobat and saving it
> as rtf, but the result was a mess when I opened in in Word.
>
> I have a very long manuscript (ca. 300 pages) with various embedded
> .eps figures, etc., but my publisher may insist (at the last minute) on
> something in Word format. The pdf file produced by pdflatex opens fine
> in Acrobat, and I imagine there must be some way to convert this to
> Word (or at least rtf).
I had to convert some manuscripts from LaTeX to Word for submitting and
have found that latex2html is a good tool. html files can be opened
directly in Word; latex2html is even able to convert several important
encodings (central european, cyrillic) to Unicode that can be read by
Word. Importing eps figures is no problem in Word ("import graphic from
file ..."), the only problem is that without a preview you will see only
the bounding box on the screen (but it prints).
Michael Betsch
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
From: "William Adams"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:03:56 -0500
Marcel Weiher's TextLightning.app is a great tool for getting from a
.pdf to .rtf (ob. discl. I was a beta tester). Shareware from
www.metaobject.com
Robust and reliable (as long as the filename is ``nice 'n' ASCII'').
It even has specific support for TeX ligatures.
William
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
From: "Bruce D'Arcus"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 07:08:12 -0800
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 23:43:59 -0600, "Bob Kerstetter"
said:
>
> On Tuesday, Dec 24, 2002, at 19:42 US/Central, Adam Lindsay wrote:
>
> > It's a little bit surprising ConTeXt hasn't gotten more attention,
> > especially from the MacOSX crowd.
> >
>
> This crowd of one is learning it bit by bit. It's pretty intensive with
> a long learning curve. But VERY cool. I don't know enough about TeX to
> do updates from Han's constant improvements, so I stick with Gerben's
> distro.
Actually, I have an idea for a new i-Package (Gerben?). Why not package
up this script along with a script to download the latest beta and
install it, with user choices for either the user texmf tree (for testing
purposes), or the standard one in /usr...?
http://www.hobby.nl/~scaprea/context/install_context.pl
I should emphasize that I have a lot of ideas, but not the skills to
necessarily implement them, this included :-)
Also, I'm not sure the relationship between the experimental ConTeXt
versions and the latest betas. If there's only a couple/few week lag,
then there's no need for this sort of thing.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
From: "Bob Kerstetter"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:09:34 -0600
On Wednesday, Dec 25, 2002, at 18:44 US/Central, Michael Murray wrote:
> Whats a good place to start on the learning curve for ConTeXt ?
>
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mp-cb-en.pdf
The directorY:
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/
is viewable on the web and has tons of docs in Dutch, German (I think)
and English.
The manual mp-cb-en.pdf is very good for an intro. ConTeXt is part of
Gerben's teTeX distro and TeXShop has as built-in command for running
ConTeXt.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
From: "Bruce D'Arcus"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 07:11:05 -0800
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:52:51 +0100, "Enrico Riboni"
said:
> My understanding is that to date ConTeXt is limited to English and
> Dutch as languages, i.e. you cannot use it in French and German, the
> two languages I mostly write in, at it's the same for other languages.
> My understanding is that this is the limitation to the use of ConTeXt,
> at least in Europe and I suppose it is the same in Asia.
Since I write in English, I don't tend to pay too close attention to this
issue, but I do know that there is some kind of support for Asian
languages, and that German-speaking and Italian users are regular
contributors to the list...
Bruce
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] LaTeX to Word?
From: "Bob Kerstetter"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:14:18 -0600
On Wednesday, Dec 25, 2002, at 18:47 US/Central, Stephen Anderson wrote:
> Is there a way to convert a LaTeX document accurately to something MS
> Word can read? I tried opening the .pdf file in Acrobat and saving it
> as rtf, but the result was a mess when I opened in in Word.
>
> I have a very long manuscript (ca. 300 pages) with various embedded
> .eps figures, etc., but my publisher may insist (at the last minute)
> on something in Word format. The pdf file produced by pdflatex opens
> fine in Acrobat, and I imagine there must be some way to convert this
> to Word (or at least rtf).
>
>
TeX4ht claims to output "Word HTML" which opens in Word just fine as
part of Word's web-and-back function. I have not tried it.
TeX4ht is one of Gerben's packages.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] cool ConTeXt stuff
From: "Bruce D'Arcus"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 07:20:38 -0800
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:14:22 +1030, "Michael Murray"
said:
> Whats a good place to start on the learning curve for ConTeXt ?
This is a weak spot: documentation and examples. I'd recommend the
manuals on the ConTeXt site, along with these two (the first perhaps the
place to start, though note the caveat that I can't seem to access it
currently):
http://berend.gameren.nl/tex/ (in particular the document "LaTeX in
proper ConTeXt")
http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html
It seems like the eXaMpLe project is aimed at making ConTeXt more
accessible, which is a good thing, as I have occassionally found myself
frustrated...
Bruce
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Subject: Re: cool ConTeXt stuff
From: "Bruce D'Arcus"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 07:26:21 -0800
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:42:30 +0000, "Adam Lindsay"
said:
> Hi Bruce.
>
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2002, at 01:00 AM, TeX on Mac OS X Mailing
> List wrote:
> > The only unfortunate thing is that one cannot submit form data with
> > Acrobat Reader, and Adobe hasn't released the web browser plug-in that
> > will allow this. Hence, one needs the full Acrobat to access the
> > functionality. Got me thinking, though: wouldn't it be cool to have
> > the
> > GUI handled by Cocoa instead?
>
> You're not the only one who's thought that. :)
> Done any Cocoa development yourself?
> I'm really a beginner, but my current project is giving me a strikingly
> relevant set of skills. I'll be watching closely when Hans releases the
> communications spec from a GUI-client to the eXaMpLe-server.
I ran this idea by Hans, and he asked for documentation on Quartz and
Cocoa, so maybe that's a good sign.
I'm not a programmer unfortunately. I have played with IB a bit though,
mostly trying to help Mike McCracken out with BibDesk (which, BTW, needs
some help from real programmers!)...
Related to both of these, another interesting project going on that is
grounded in ConTeXt (though will not be limited to it) is a complete XML
rewrite of the bib module. That, along with the support for typesetting
DocBook files, is perhaps why I am most interested in ConTeXt...
Bruce
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Subject: [OS X TeX] Gray shading on a shadow box
From: "Stuart Thayer"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:57:27 -0500
Is there a package for coloring a shadow box? I've noted the shaded
frame box, and I've managed to tinker gray over a shadow box, but it's
not an exact fit. The shading calculates the larger exterior rule, and
it should only look at the thin rule.
It's just that I think shadow boxes are very attractive, and if there's
a shading package for them, I haven't run across it.
Stuart Thayer
thayer@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us
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Subject: cool ConTeXt stuff
From: "Adam Lindsay"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:58:22 +0000
On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 01:00 AM, TeX on Mac OS X Mailing
List wrote:
> My understanding is that to date ConTeXt is limited to English and
> Dutch as languages, i.e. you cannot use it in French and German, the
> two languages I mostly write in, at it's the same for other languages.
> My understanding is that this is the limitation to the use of ConTeXt,
> at least in Europe and I suppose it is the same in Asia.
Enrico,
I believe your knowledge is a bit out of date. ConTeXt supports western
and central european languages very well in terms of the text to be
typeset. Chinese support is there, and I hear that others like Korean
and Devangari are on their way.
The interface languages (i.e., TeXish markup) that are available,
judging from the files on my machine, are czech, german, english,
italian, dutch, and romanian. I'm sure Hans would be very receptive to
contributions of, say, french translations.
Cheers,
adam
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Subject: Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #521 - 12/25/02
From: "Adam Lindsay"
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:32:08 +0000
On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 01:00 AM, TeX on Mac OS X Mailing
List wrote:
> Whats a good place to start on the learning curve for ConTeXt ?
>
Hello, Michael,
That's a fine question.
For documentation, take a look at the official site:
I recommend the beginners guide as one place to start (screen version,
2.9 MB PDF, printable version also available):
For people coming from LaTeX (or even those, like myself, who started
on ConTeXt with only a passing LaTeX familiarity), Berend de Boer's
"LaTeX in Proper ConTeXt" is also a good place to start. I believe the
host is currently down, but it can be grabbed from Google's cache or
(at least temporarily) from my .mac account: (124KB)
(down?)
Once you get started, Bill McClain has some great resources for
beginners curious about getting further into ConTeXt:
And the ConTeXt mailing list is a very kind, enthusiastic community:
I found the learning curve for ConTeXt (after an initial leap, not
unlike with LaTeX) to have a shallow, but long learning curve: it's
remarkably easy to get very reasonable documents going in your first
week. If you want to learn more, it's there and available. I suspect
even Hans Hagen, the developer, is still learning about it. That's both
a benefit and a drawback, I suppose, but it's nice for people who don't
like to stay still.
Another opinion I throw at people is that LaTeX seems to embody 80's
programming ideals. ConTeXt is much more representative of the 90's.
Cheers,
adam
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