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MacOSX-TeX Digest #514 - Tuesday, December 17, 2002
Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "William Adams"
Re:[OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "Alessandro Languasco"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "Patrick Coskren"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "mark"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "Patrick Coskren"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "Jens Adam"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "Alessandro Languasco"
Re: [OS X TeX] Re: line endings in eps
by "Bob Kerstetter"
Re: [OS X TeX] Re: line endings in eps
by "Bob Kerstetter"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
by "William Adams"
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "William Adams"
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:13:10 -0500
Alessandro wrote:
>Anyone knows if it is possible to use a tool like "pen" of powerpoint
>for a tex-pdf based presentation ?
>I need to draw some lines on a .pdf file to highlight some
definitions/theorems
>during the presentation.
Yes. Take a look at ``metafun'' by Hans Hagen.
>Acrobat Reader has no tools like that; do you know if it is possible
to enhance
>the reader with some external graphic tool (both for Win and OsX) ?
Reader, no. The full version of Acrobat can be so enhanced, but the
tools (e.g., PitStop) for that are still kind of clunky, also
expensive.
There're packages for doing some basic picture type stuff (and some
pretty high-powered diagramming) on CTAN---have you checked there?
Alternately, you could use a tool like Sketch to draw what you need
and incorporate it as a graphic.
William
--
William Adams, publishing specialist
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Subject: Re:[OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "Alessandro Languasco"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:13:55 +0100
Dear William,
thanks a lor for your help.
But maybe I did not well explain the problem.
During the presentation (which, in fact is a lecture)
I will display some notes using acrobat reader.
The problem is not to insert some graphic object
before the lecture, but drawing some boxes or some
lines "live" during the presentation.
In some sense the same thing I do with a classical
blackboard when I wish to highlight some basic fact.
So, if, as you said, the reader cannot be enhanced,
do you know if there is some other pdf viewer with
this feature?
Last night I passed some hours searching in
pdfplanet.com and pdfsite.com with no results....
Thanks again .
Best regards,
Alessandro
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "Patrick Coskren"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:27:26 -0500
On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 02:13 AM, Alessandro Languasco wrote:
> Dear William,
> thanks a lor for your help.
>
> But maybe I did not well explain the problem.
> During the presentation (which, in fact is a lecture)
> I will display some notes using acrobat reader.
> The problem is not to insert some graphic object
> before the lecture, but drawing some boxes or some
> lines "live" during the presentation.
> In some sense the same thing I do with a classical
> blackboard when I wish to highlight some basic fact.
Do you need to actually watch the graphic object (say, a red circle
around some element) be drawn? If not, what you can do is create two
identical slides, with the circle only appearing in the second one.
There are TeX packages out there that will automate this for you
(they're in the archives for this list, if such archives exist), but I
found the copy-paste to be simple enough. When you transition between
the slides, it just looks like poof! the graphical element appeared.
This usually gives enough of a dynamic effect, and looks just like
you've added the element on the fly.
Unless you're saying you want to draw ad hoc diagrams on the
presentation at lecture time. Say, if a student says, "could you
highlight the part that does such-and-so?" If that's what you're
looking to do, I've got no idea. I haven't heard of software that can
do that, TeX or no. (Can PowerPoint?) I think that's why God invented
laser pointers. :-) And, frankly, there are some situations where
there's just no substitute for a whiteboard.
Hmmm, you make me wonder, though. Functionality like you describe
would make a lot more sense on a tablet computer. But I'm just
rambling now.
-Patrick
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "mark"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:30 +0100
On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 08:13 AM, Alessandro Languasco wrote:
> maybe I did not well explain the problem.
> During the presentation (which, in fact is a lecture)
> I will display some notes using acrobat reader.
> The problem is not to insert some graphic object
> before the lecture, but drawing some boxes or some
> lines "live" during the presentation.
> In some sense the same thing I do with a classical
> blackboard when I wish to highlight some basic fact.
> So, if, as you said, the reader cannot be enhanced,
> do you know if there is some other pdf viewer with
> this feature?
I have not tried this myself but there is an app called Desktastic
which lets you "draw" on the screen in OS X in the manner in which you
describe. Whether you can "draw" or "write" inside app windows (e.g.
Acrobat Reader or Preview Windows) in addition to the touted ability to
"scribble on the desktop" is not clear. It has nothing to do with TeX
per se but it might be worth a quick test:
http://www.panic.com/desktastic/
mark.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "Patrick Coskren"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:00:28 -0500
On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 02:51 AM, mark wrote:
> I have not tried this myself but there is an app called Desktastic
> which lets you "draw" on the screen in OS X in the manner in which you
> describe. Whether you can "draw" or "write" inside app windows (e.g.
> Acrobat Reader or Preview Windows) in addition to the touted ability
> to "scribble on the desktop" is not clear. It has nothing to do with
> TeX per se but it might be worth a quick test:
>
> http://www.panic.com/desktastic/
At the bottom of the page there's a little screenshot that sure looks
like you can scribble into an application window (looks like teachText).
It looks (based on no technical information whatsoever), like it's just
a simple drawing app that can grow a window with a transparent
background to cover the whole screen. Sort of like if you set
Terminal.app to full transparency. (Go, Quartz!) So, in theory, it
would work great on top of Acrobat, but it might (or might not) have
problems with Classic apps. (I just tested, and Terminal.app can do it
even if Acrobat's in full-screen mode.)
-Patrick
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "Jens Adam"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:40:03 +0100
Am Dienstag, 17.12.02, um 04:13 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb William
Adams:
> Alessandro wrote:
> >Anyone knows if it is possible to use a tool like "pen" of powerpoint
> >for a tex-pdf based presentation ?
> >I need to draw some lines on a .pdf file to highlight some
> definitions/theorems
> >during the presentation.
>
> Yes. Take a look at ``metafun'' by Hans Hagen.
>
> >Acrobat Reader has no tools like that; do you know if it is possible
> to enhance
> >the reader with some external graphic tool (both for Win and OsX) ?
>
> Reader, no. The full version of Acrobat can be so enhanced,
No need for enhancement. Basic sketching and text marking tools like
color markers are built in.
Just use Adobe Acrobat (the real thing, i.e. not the reader).
Jens
PS. I read that the *latest* Acrobat Reader on Mac OS X also has some
annotation tools built in, but I didn't try it. I still prefer the real
thing.
--
Jens Adam -- RagTime GmbH -- Hilden, Germany -- www.ragtime.de
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "Alessandro Languasco"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:21:01 +0100
Dear Mark, Patrick, Wendy and Jens
thanks a lot for you kindness and useful infos.
It seems to me that "Desktastic is really fantastic" !!
I did not know that the real Acrobat has
markers and similar.
So now I have two possible solutions.
Thanks so much.
Regards,
Alessandro
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Re: line endings in eps
From: "Bob Kerstetter"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:32:27 -0600
On Monday, Dec 16, 2002, at 05:35 US/Central, James Owen wrote:
> I use TeXShop for writing all my papers,and I am interacting with a
> Linux user. He complains that TeXShop saves all the text files with
> Mac line endings. Is there a setting for the line endings to be used
> in TeXShop? Can there be, so that I don't have to do it manually in
> BBEdit all the time.
TexShop uses unix line endings if you create your document in TeXShop.
TeXShop does put a ^H at end of the file. Maybe that means something.
?????
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Re: line endings in eps
From: "Bob Kerstetter"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:40:36 -0600
On Monday, Dec 16, 2002, at 05:35 US/Central, James Owen wrote:
> Secondly, he complains that the eps files, which I generate using
> GraphicConverter from png or pdf, also have Mac line endings. Is there
> any way in OS X to generate eps with Unix line endings?
>
Can you do this with ImageMagick or command line Ghostscript?
Also if you write to the GraphicConverter support address and ask the
developer to make unix line endings an option, he may do it. He does
just about anything people request, if it is possible.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT tex-pdf presentation
From: "William Adams"
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:44:32 -0500
Alessandro said:
>But maybe I did not well explain the problem.
>During the presentation (which, in fact is a lecture)
>I will display some notes using acrobat reader.
>The problem is not to insert some graphic object
>before the lecture, but drawing some boxes or some
>lines "live" during the presentation.
You can fake this w/ Metafun or TexPower &c.
Just dupe the slide you want annotated iteratively as needed, and
display them successively w/ the annotations gradually appearing.
>In some sense the same thing I do with a classical
>blackboard when I wish to highlight some basic fact.
>So, if, as you said, the reader cannot be enhanced,
>do you know if there is some other pdf viewer with
>this feature?
Reader has tools for this, but they're only enabled on a .pdf under
certain conditions (I believe enabled by encrypting the .pdf and
designating a user for access or some such w/ the full version of
Acrobat).
The full version of Acrobat does have some basic annotation tools,
but they're limited and editing the graphic aspects after the fact is
really awkward---the also don't look all that great on the screen to
my mind.
As others have noted, there are a number of apps which'll annotate a
window in an app live, though the best of these got bought out by
Microsoft and has disappeared into their TabletPC project.
If you've access to Windows 2000 or XP, I'd suggest looking at
Alias/WaveFront's ``SketchBook'' program which while targeted at
drawing / sketching can be used for presentations as well.
I may be being overly picky about drawing tools though, there aren't
that many which I actively like (lessee, there're exactly three:
FutureWave's SmartSketch (became Flash), Altsys Virtuoso (became
Macromedia FreeHand), Fractal Design Expression (back w/ its
developer Creature House). If I had a system running a more
up-to-date version of Windows I'd probably be quite pleased w/
SketchBook as well :(
William
--
William Adams, publishing specialist
voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708
www.atlis.com
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