From MacOSX-TeX@email.esm.psu.edu Thu Oct 24 20:06:08 2002
Received: from engremail.engr.psu.edu ([130.203.201.4]) by engrmail1.engr.psu.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329);
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:00:53 -0400
Received: from email.esm.psu.edu ([130.203.247.204]) by engremail.engr.psu.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329);
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:00:53 -0400
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:00:01 -0400
Subject: MacOSX-TeX Digest #464 - 10/24/02
From: "TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List"
To: "TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Sender:
Precedence: Bulk
List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc.
List-Subscribe:
List-Digest:
List-Unsubscribe:
Return-Path: MacOSX-TeX@email.esm.psu.edu
Message-ID:
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 00:00:53.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[95C99EE0:01C27BB9]
MacOSX-TeX Digest #464 - Thursday, October 24, 2002
Underbracket woes
by "Jeff Sherman"
Re: [OS X TeX] Underbracket woes
by "Ross Moore"
Re: [OS X TeX] srcltx-Bbedit Lite-TeXshell-MacdviX
by "Alessandro Languasco"
Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "Tim Hodgson"
Re: [OS X TeX] Underbracket woes
by "William Adams"
Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "Michael Murray"
Re: [OS X TeX] New Acrobat Reader (5.1) ...
by "Lee Phillips"
Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "David Wagner"
Re: [OS X TeX] New Acrobat Reader (5.1) ...
by "Adrian Heathcote"
Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "Tim Hodgson"
Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "Andrew Farmer"
Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "Tim Hodgson"
include .eps graphics
by "DOMINIQUE THILLAUD"
Re: [OS X TeX] include .eps graphics
by "Luis Sequeira"
Re: [OS X TeX] include .eps graphics
by "Adrian Heathcote"
Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "Michael Murray"
Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
by "Campbell Brown"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Underbracket woes
From: "Jeff Sherman"
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:23:49 -0700
Greetings all,
I'm trying to create brackets that connect terms in an equation much
like \underbrace, but straight instead of curly. They should also be
nestable, so I could connect two inner terms while connection two outer
terms with a bigger bracket. (Physicists, I'm trying to make the
contraction operator used in quantum field theory, see Peskin &
Schroeder p. 89 for an example though they use overbrackets, which are
fine too).
Such a device is defined at
http://www.lyx.org/help/underbracket/bracket.php3 (and for brevity I
won't paste it here) but when I try something simple, like
\underbracket{AB}, I get the error message:
! Use of \@ doesn't match its definition.
\underbracket ->\@i
fnextchar [ {\@underbracket}{\@underbracket
[\@brackethei...
l.903 \underbracket
{AB}
I'm nowhere near competent enough in pure TeX to understand or fix the
problem, and I'm hoping someone wouldn't mind the, erm, uh, challenge.
Alternatively, is there a better way to do what I'm trying to do? The
aforementioned textbook was clearly done in TeX, so there must be a way
-- perhaps I should bother the authors! =3D:-)
Thanks,
-Jeff Sherman
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Underbracket woes
From: "Ross Moore"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:33:12 +1000 (EST)
> Greetings all,
> I'm trying to create brackets that connect terms in an equation much
> like \underbrace, but straight instead of curly. They should also be
> nestable, so I could connect two inner terms while connection two outer
> terms with a bigger bracket. (Physicists, I'm trying to make the
> contraction operator used in quantum field theory, see Peskin &
> Schroeder p. 89 for an example though they use overbrackets, which are
> fine too).
>
> Such a device is defined at
> http://www.lyx.org/help/underbracket/bracket.php3 (and for brevity I
> won't paste it here) but when I try something simple, like
> \underbracket{AB}, I get the error message:
>
> ! Use of \@ doesn't match its definition.
> \underbracket ->\@i
> fnextchar [ {\@underbracket}{\@underbracket
> [\@brackethei...
> l.903 \underbracket
> {AB}
Someone forgot to put a \newcommand definition within
\makeatletter
...
\makeatother
Did you copy your definition of \underbracket from something
else and try to make adjustments ?
> I'm nowhere near competent enough in pure TeX to understand or fix the
> problem, and I'm hoping someone wouldn't mind the, erm, uh, challenge.
Fix this problem first, to at least see how your attempt actually works.
If it's enough, then you are set; if not, well then it becomes a more
interesting problem. :-)
> Alternatively, is there a better way to do what I'm trying to do? The
> aforementioned textbook was clearly done in TeX, so there must be a way
> -- perhaps I should bother the authors! =3D:-)
No. THe author's job is to provide content, and ideas on how it is best
displayed. It is your job to implement those ideas effectively.
TeX can do it, but you may need to find the way.
It is always counter-productive to impose restrictions on authors due
to technical difficulties in the actual typesetting.
Hope this helps,
Ross Moore
> Thanks,
> -Jeff Sherman
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Mac TeX info, resources, and news can be found at:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> List archives can be found at:
>
> Threaded list archives can be found at:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> See message headers for list info.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] srcltx-Bbedit Lite-TeXshell-MacdviX
From: "Alessandro Languasco"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:33:44 +0200
Dear Tom,
I suspected that an easy solution should exists... but I wasn't able to=20=
find it.
So, thanks a lot !!!
Alessandro
On Gioved=EC, ott 24, 2002, at 00:42 Europe/Rome, Tom Kiffe wrote:
> This behavior is controlled by BBEdit itself. Open BBEdit's=20
> Preferences panel and select Text-Editing and make sure that "Confirm=20=
> Non-Undoable Editing Actions"
> is not checked.
>
> Tom
>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "Tim Hodgson"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:46:33 +0100
Hi,
I'm experiencing some odd printing behaviour from TeXShop. I _think_ this
dates from upgrading to 10.2 and installing from the most recent i-
installer, but haven't needed to use latex in a while.
Symptom: documents display properly in the TeXShop pdf viewing window,
but when I print, or preview in the Preview app, text starts about a
third of the way down the page and in some cases runs off the bottom.
(though not always - I haven't found a pattern to it yet).
If I process the same source doc from the command-line, it's fine.
Is this a known problem, and am I missing something obvious? I couldn't
see anything in the archives.
thanks,
Tim
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Underbracket woes
From: "William Adams"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:41:49 -0400
Did you remember to wrap the code in \makeatletter and \makeatother or
put it in a .cls file?
William
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:22:52 +0930
>Hi,
>
>I'm experiencing some odd printing behaviour from TeXShop. I _think_ this
>dates from upgrading to 10.2 and installing from the most recent i-
>installer, but haven't needed to use latex in a while.
>
>Symptom: documents display properly in the TeXShop pdf viewing window,
>but when I print, or preview in the Preview app, text starts about a
>third of the way down the page and in some cases runs off the bottom.
>(though not always - I haven't found a pattern to it yet).
>
>If I process the same source doc from the command-line, it's fine.
>
>Is this a known problem, and am I missing something obvious? I couldn't
>see anything in the archives.
>
>thanks,
>
>Tim
>
Hi Tim
I have the same problem. I don't know what causes it and its
quite erratic - sometimes it does it and sometimes it doesn't.
I think it mostly happens when I am in a hurry to print something
out :-)
As the problem is happening in TeXShop and Preview it must be the
Apple PDF stuffing up.
I have found it prints OK if you use Acrobat Reader
Michael
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Acrobat Reader (5.1) ...
From: "Lee Phillips"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:16:18 -0400
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 08:22:11PM +1000, Adrian Heathcote wrote:
> The odd thing is that I can't see hide nor hair of this new version on
> the Adobe web site.
That's because it's badly organized. Go to
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/alternate.html
where you'll links to download binaries of various versions for various
platforms. 5.1 English on the Mac is
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/mac/5.x/5.1/AcroReader51_=
ENU_full.bin
Don't ask me how I found it - I stumbled through Adobe's maze of =
mysterious
links until it was there.
I got 5.1 because I was hoping that Reader's super-slow search had been
improved, but I was disappointed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "David Wagner"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:22:33 -0500
Check the Page Setup dialog box for proper paper selection. This sort of
thing happens in Word if you have a mismatch between Page Setup paper
selection and the actual paper used. I checked to see that TeXShop has a
Page Setup menu item.
David Wagner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] New Acrobat Reader (5.1) ...
From: "Adrian Heathcote"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:30:47 +1000
>
> That's because it's badly organized. Go to
>
> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/alternate.html
Thanks Lee. Got it!
On the subject of transitions, I thought others might be interested. I
put an enquiry out on PDF Planet as to why the transitions function is
not enabled in OS X (as Michael Murray correctly reported it was not).
The response I got was that it works on every OS BUT OS X---and that
there was a rumour that the function would be re-enabled in the next
major release. Frankly I thought we paid for it last time!
Adrian Heathcote
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "Tim Hodgson"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:51:39 +0100
On 24/10/02 at 8:22 am, David Wagner wrote:
>Check the Page Setup dialog box for proper paper selection. This sort of
>thing happens in Word if you have a mismatch between Page Setup paper
>selection and the actual paper used. I checked to see that TeXShop has a
>Page Setup menu item.
Thanks David - I had checked that.
Tim
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "Andrew Farmer"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:31:15 -0700
> As the problem is happening in TeXShop and Preview it must be the
> Apple PDF stuffing up.
>
> I have found it prints OK if you use Acrobat Reader
Yes, Apple's PDFRepresentation class (used in Preview.app as well as
TeXShop's internal preview) has some problems with certain (La)TeX =
constructs.
Now only if Acrobat just weren't so slow printing...!
--
Andrew Farmer
andfarm@thibs.menloschool.org
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "Tim Hodgson"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:59:18 +0100
On 24/10/02 at 10:22 pm, Michael Murray wrote:
>I have the same problem. I don't know what causes it and its
>quite erratic - sometimes it does it and sometimes it doesn't.
>I think it mostly happens when I am in a hurry to print something
>out :-)
>
>As the problem is happening in TeXShop and Preview it must be the
>Apple PDF stuffing up.
>
>I have found it prints OK if you use Acrobat Reader
Michael, thanks for responding. You mean you print to file, then open
that file in Acrobat? That makes no difference here. Or are you somehow
directly producing an Acrobat file, bypassing the Apple PDF? I don't
quite understand how you're avoiding it while still using TeXShop :)
Tim
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: include .eps graphics
From: "DOMINIQUE THILLAUD"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:57:35 +0200
Being a beginner in LaTeX, I'm puzzled by the error message :
! LaTeX Error: Unknown graphics extension: .eps.
compiling the .tex :
\documentclass{tpITC}
\usepackage{graphics}
\begin{document}
\entete{2002}{2003}{6}{Corrig=E9}
\includegraphics[0,100][0,0]{image001.eps}
\end{document}
what's wrong ?
(I'm using TeXShop and teTeX)
I suppose I must use an option of graphics but I'm unable to guess the=20=
right one ...
Thanks in advance,
Dominique
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] include .eps graphics
From: "Luis Sequeira"
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:36:57 +0100
>Being a beginner in LaTeX, I'm puzzled by the error message :
>
>! LaTeX Error: Unknown graphics extension: .eps.
>
>compiling the .tex :
>
>\documentclass{tpITC}
>\usepackage{graphics}
>\begin{document}
>\entete{2002}{2003}{6}{Corrig=E9}
>\includegraphics[0,100][0,0]{image001.eps}
>\end{document}
>
>what's wrong ?
>(I'm using TeXShop and teTeX)
>I suppose I must use an option of graphics but I'm unable to guess
>the right one ...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>Dominique
>
I believe that under TeXShop/teTeX you should use pdf graphics instead.
Control-click the .eps file, choose Open with... and select TeXShop.
This should, in principle, be enough to create a pdf version of the
file (though some people have been having problems with it - I
(fingers crossed) haven't).
You can use \includegraphics without file extension (so that if you
at some point use another tex engine that expects .eps it will still
work).
luis
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] include .eps graphics
From: "Adrian Heathcote"
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:26:27 +1000
Dominique
I think it might be that pdftex requires graphics files in pdf (or a=20
few other) forms but not .eps. Try converting it to pdf and then=20
running it again. You can convert the graphic file to pdf by just=20
dropping it on the texshop icon. After that make sure that it is in a=20
place that TeX can find it.
Good Luck
Adrian Heathcote
On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 01:57 AM, DOMINIQUE THILLAUD wrote:
> Being a beginner in LaTeX, I'm puzzled by the error message :
>
> ! LaTeX Error: Unknown graphics extension: .eps.
>
> compiling the .tex :
>
> \documentclass{tpITC}
> \usepackage{graphics}
> \begin{document}
> \entete{2002}{2003}{6}{Corrig=E9}
> \includegraphics[0,100][0,0]{image001.eps}
> \end{document}
>
> what's wrong ?
> (I'm using TeXShop and teTeX)
> I suppose I must use an option of graphics but I'm unable to guess the=20=
> right one ...
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Dominique
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Mac TeX info, resources, and news can be found at:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> List archives can be found at:
>
> Threaded list archives can be found at:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> See message headers for list info.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:17:24 +0930
>
>
>Michael, thanks for responding. You mean you print to file, then open
>that file in Acrobat? That makes no difference here. Or are you somehow
>directly producing an Acrobat file, bypassing the Apple PDF? I don't
>quite understand how you're avoiding it while still using TeXShop :)
>
>Tim
>
Hi Tim,
I just open the pdf that texshop has produced in acrobat and then
print it. Thats seems to be OK for me.
Michael
--
_________________________________________________________
Assoc/Prof Michael Murray =
School of Pure Mathematics Fax: 61+ 8 8303
3696
University of Adelaide Phone: 61+ 8 8303 4174
Australia 5005 Email: mmurray@maths.adelaide.edu.au
Home Page: http://www.maths.adelaide.edu.au/pure/mmurray
PGP public key:
http://www.maths.adelaide.edu.au/pure/mmurray/pgp.txt
University of Adelaide CRICOS # 00123M
________________________________________________________
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Strange TeXShop margins behaviour
From: "Campbell Brown"
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:20:40 +1000
>>Michael, thanks for responding. You mean you print to file, then open
>>that file in Acrobat? That makes no difference here. Or are you somehow
>>directly producing an Acrobat file, bypassing the Apple PDF? I don't
>>quite understand how you're avoiding it while still using TeXShop :)
>>
>>Tim
>>
>
>Hi Tim,
>
>I just open the pdf that texshop has produced in acrobat and then
>print it. Thats seems to be OK for me.
For what it's worth, I use precisely the same procedure to overcome
problems of the kind described earlier in this thread (i.e., erratic
margin behavior when printing from TeXShop).
I have also found that people running different operating systems
(windows, linux) sometimes have difficulty opening my
TeXShop-produced PDF files. However, if I open such a file in
Acrobat, and then "save a copy", the PDF file thereby produced is
perfectly readable on other systems.
Cheers,
Campbell
----------------------------------------------------------------------
End of MacOSX-TeX Digest
-----------------------------------------------------
Mac TeX info, resources, and news can be found at:
-----------------------------------------------------
List archives can be found at:
Threaded list archives can be found at:
-----------------------------------------------------
See message headers for list info.
-----------------------------------------------------