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MacOSX-TeX Digest #457 - Thursday, October 17, 2002
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Keith M. Chugg"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Lee Phillips"
Re: Seminar package on OS X
by "Hemant K. Bhargava"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Keith M. Chugg"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Bob Kerstetter"
Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Seminar package on OS X
by "Martin Costabel"
Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
by "Stephan Hochhaus"
Re: [OS X TeX] Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
by "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Re: [OS X TeX] Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
by "Martin Stokhof"
Re: [OS X TeX] Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
by "Stephan Hochhaus"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Keith M. Chugg"
Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Seminar package on OS X
by "Lee Phillips"
using ghostscript
by "Keith M. Chugg"
Re: [OS X TeX] using ghostscript
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Seminar package on OS X
by "Ettore Aldrovandi"
Concatenating pdf's again...
by "Warren Nagourney"
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Keith M. Chugg"
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:00:21 -0700
>On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 07:32:45PM -0700, Keith M. Chugg wrote:
>> I started
>> using Macs in the 80s b/c I could cut from one app and paste into
>> another - what gives now?
>
>In the pre-unix Mac days, what actually happened when you
>cut-and-pasted graphics was dependent on the applications. With
>some pairs of programs you could not get high resolution pictures
>transferred this way, with some you could. I guess the situation
>is basically the same now.
From 1990-OSX, copying an pasting from one app to another worked
really well with text and graphics preserved at high resolution.
Now, you paste a drawing from something like omnigraffle into word,
powerpoint, or even textedit and the text will not look high-res...
Pretty disappointing.
> > This is related to an early post to this group in which I asked if
>> anybody knew a *simple* way to get figures from my Textures-world
>> (those that were generated with Superpaint or Kaliedagraph) into
>> high-res pdf files.
>
>Can you use the original programs to "print" the pictures to postscript?
>If so, you're done. If the pictures are PICTs that are being included
>by TeXtures, you can do this with any program that can read PICT. Why
>can't you open the pictures with Preview and save as PDF?
The way I found to make it work is to print the original document to
.eps (not .ps). Then, since this produces a .eps for the entire page
and not just the object, I need to edit the bounding box in the .eps
file. This can be done by converting to .pdf and adjusting the
bounding box until its about right. In Kaliedagraph, it prints just
the plot you're interested in, but I find the bounding box is a
little to small. In superpaint, I can copy the object to a blank
document and place it in the lower left corner of the page. Then,
you can approximate the bounding box by just looking at the size of
the object (superpaint lets you see rulers in points instead of
inches). Something that almost works is to copy the object from the
classic app, then paste it into omnigraffle to be exported as .pdf.
The only problem with this is that I used cmr fonts (from textures)
on most fonts and for some reason these get messed up when I paste
into the OS X apps - specifically, the spaces turn into \Phi's.
I know it sounds lazy, but I was looking for a really easy way to
convert - e.g., graphics select from a .pdf of the typeset document
and cut-n-paste. This doesn't yield high-res... I have 100's if not
1000's of figures in old documents, so that's why I am being lazy.
With omnigrafffle, texshop, equation services, and hopefully soon
Kaliedagraph, I can produce nice looking documents...
keith
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Lee Phillips"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:24:34 -0400
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:00:21PM -0700, Keith M. Chugg wrote:
> The only problem with this is that I used cmr fonts (from textures)
> on most fonts and for some reason these get messed up when I paste
> into the OS X apps - specifically, the spaces turn into \Phi's.
Ah, I'm beginning to see your problem, I think. So you used cmr fonts
for labeling, etc., on the graphs? I.e., you got Kaleidagraph (I used
that for a while before switching to Igor) to use the TeXtures fonts?
And you saved the graphs as eps to be imported by your TeXtures
document? So maybe the problem all boils down to getting OS X to
handle the TeX fonts on a system-wide level, so you don't have to
reconstruct these graphs with the fonts embedded. But then, would they
print correctly on a postscript printer? I can use TexShop on OS X to
typeset and open the resulting pdf in Ac. Reader or Preview, and the
fonts work, and it prints, so i guess the fonts are embedded. But I
haven't tried to create something using the TeX fonts with any other
program.
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Subject: Re: Seminar package on OS X
From: "Hemant K. Bhargava"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:10:59 -0400
Gus -
Here's where I stand on this ...
1. If I typeset using pdftex, I can get proper landscape mode
2. If I typeset using TeX+Ghostscript, the pdf appears in portrait mode,
but at least the whole page appears! It can then be rotated in an Acrobat
reader.
I recall earlier that the page was actually being set in landscape mode =
but
appeared physically as a portrait shape, so that the document was being
chopped off. I think at that time the problem was a call to dvips, as in
\usepackage[dvips]{hyperref} or some other call. These were fixed by
switching to
\usepackage{hyperref}
I recall other attempts to solving this problem: I used commands such as
\def\printlandscape{\special{landscape}}
\renewcommand{\printlandscape}{\special{landscape}}
but these didn't seem to make a difference. I also tried \pageheight and
\pdfpageheight but to no effect.
So I'm pretty much ok at this time, though if I want to use additional
layout features such as
\twoup or \documentclass[article]{seminar}
that still doesn't work out properly. (E.g., \twoup should put the sheet
back in portrait mode, since it places two landscapes on a single sheet.)
Hope this helps. I'm sure others on this list have more ideas.
- Hemant
--On Thursday, October 17, 2002 4:52 PM +1000 Gus Gollings
wrote:
> Dear Hemant,
>
> I have been reading the MacOSX TeX discussions looking for a solution to
> a problem I am having with Seminar package in TeXShop on Mac OS X - I
> can't print landscape correctly, instead I can only produce a 'portrait'
> pdf.
>
> I noticed that you seemed to have resolved you problems printing
> landscape pdfs with Seminar, and was wondering if you could point me in
> the right direction, perhaps even show me an example of a working =
Seminar
> slide file as I am quite new to TeX.
>
> I am sorry to bother you, and thank you for your time in advance.
>
> Yours,
>
> Gus Gollings
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Keith M. Chugg"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:25:10 -0700
>On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:00:21PM -0700, Keith M. Chugg wrote:
>> The only problem with this is that I used cmr fonts (from textures)
>> on most fonts and for some reason these get messed up when I paste
>> into the OS X apps - specifically, the spaces turn into \Phi's.
>
>Ah, I'm beginning to see your problem, I think. So you used cmr fonts
>for labeling, etc., on the graphs? I.e., you got Kaleidagraph (I used
>that for a while before switching to Igor) to use the TeXtures fonts?
>And you saved the graphs as eps to be imported by your TeXtures
>document? So maybe the problem all boils down to getting OS X to
>handle the TeX fonts on a system-wide level, so you don't have to
>reconstruct these graphs with the fonts embedded. But then, would they
>print correctly on a postscript printer? I can use TexShop on OS X to
>typeset and open the resulting pdf in Ac. Reader or Preview, and the
>fonts work, and it prints, so i guess the fonts are embedded. But I
>haven't tried to create something using the TeX fonts with any other
>program.
>
Yes, I used the textures cmr fonts on kaliedagraph and superpaint
figures. On many, I even cut and pasted (option-paste) equations
from the textures typset window onto the figures. I can do similar
in OSX using eqn service and omnigraffle (actually even nicer than in
OS9). In OSX, I see the cmr fonts in some applications, but I don't
know if these are from the teTeX installation or the old texturs
install. In any case, they don't see to work well in other apps
(e.g., typing text you see math symbols...).
In any case, I have a not-so-easy solution. In my OS9 app, print to
.eps w/ inclusion of non-standard fonts, then convert to pdf -- and
edit the bounding box as needed. I guess I will not convert all my
old stuff, but just do it as I need... I am surprised that I am the
only one dealing with this.
keith
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Bob Kerstetter"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:24:31 -0500
I have created pdf exports with OmniGraffle and included them in TeX
docs and everything looked good. All of my TeX output goes to pdf, not
dvi.
To make a test of this cut and paste issue using system fonts --
Helvetica-12-Regular and Bold -- I typed text into OmniGraffle,
selected it as an object, copied it, pasted it in TextEdit and Word. In
Text Edit it looks okay. In Word it looks fuzzy. Then I saved all three
docs -- OmniGraffle, TextEdit and Word -- to pdf. OmniGraffle pdf was
very clear, TextEdit pdf was little fuzzy. Word pdf was a fuzzy mess,
almost a blur.
To continue, I then exported the text from OmniGraffle as pdf, imported
by drag-and-drop it into both TextEdit and Word, and saved the TextEdit
and Word docs as pdf. Comparing these three pdf docs -- the original
OmniGraffle exported pdf, TextEdit-generated pdf and Word-generated pdf
-- there was very little difference. But my eyes are 52 years old.
So a conclusion could be this. There appears to be some problems with
cut and paste from OmniGraffle to TextEdit and Word when it comes to
text. Word has a lot more of a problem than TextEdit with the
fuzziness. Exporting from OmniGraffle to pdf and importing solves the
fuzziness problem in both TextEdit and Word.
Again, this was with system fonts, not TeX fonts. I don't use TeX
fonts for anything but TeX.
On Thursday, Oct 17, 2002, at 01:00 US/Central, Keith M. Chugg wrote:
> From 1990-OSX, copying an pasting from one app to another worked
> really well with text and graphics preserved at high resolution.
>
> Now, you paste a drawing from something like omnigraffle into word,
> powerpoint, or even textedit and the text will not look high-res...
> Pretty disappointing.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Seminar package on OS X
From: "Martin Costabel"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:10:44 +0200
On jeudi, oct 17, 2002, at 16:10 Europe/Paris, Hemant K. Bhargava wrote:
>
> 2. If I typeset using TeX+Ghostscript, the pdf appears in portrait
> mode, but at least the whole page appears! It can then be rotated in
> an Acrobat reader.
Somewhere on the net I found the following solution to this eternal
problem, and this has worked perfectly for me ever since:
Call dvips with the option "-h landscape.ps", where landscape.ps is a
little file containing the following 7 lines:
%!PS
/_sys_showpage /showpage load def
/showpage
{
[{ThisPage} <> /PUT pdfmark
_sys_showpage
}bind def
--
Martin
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Subject: Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
From: "Stephan Hochhaus"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:23:10 +0200
OK, I think I have figured out pretty much all there is to know for a
first time Mac LaTeX user, but I cannot get a bibliography done.
I used Bibdesk to enter all my books and articles and saved it as a
file called rhetoric.bib. I also tried to get it into my Texshop
document using \include and \begin{thebibliography}, but nothing worked.
Can anyone point me to a solution how to create a bibliography out of a
bib file using texshop?
Thanks!
Stephan
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
From: "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:52:17 -0700
I have the following in the preamble (I do believe you have to chose
some style, but maybe there is a default if you don't)
% Bibliography settings
\usepackage[round]{natbib} %\cite{} for name (00) and \citep{} for
(name 00)
\bibliographystyle{plainnat}
Then where I want the bibliography to go I simply put:
\bibliography{FW_Bibliography}
Note that I have one big bibliography with all my references at:
~/Library/texmf/bibtex/bib/FW_Bibliography.bib
On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 08:23 AM, Stephan Hochhaus wrote:
> OK, I think I have figured out pretty much all there is to know for a
> first time Mac LaTeX user, but I cannot get a bibliography done.
> I used Bibdesk to enter all my books and articles and saved it as a
> file called rhetoric.bib. I also tried to get it into my Texshop
> document using \include and \begin{thebibliography}, but nothing
> worked.
>
> Can anyone point me to a solution how to create a bibliography out of
> a bib file using texshop?
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
From: "Martin Stokhof"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:53:48 +0200
Hi,
Assuming your new to LaTeX and BiBTeX, here is the routine (if you're
not, and your problem is due to something else, please excuse me for
giving these elementary instructions):
1. your file should contain:
- the command \bibliographystyle{**some style**} after the
\begin{document} command [note that some styled required an additional
.sty file to be included via \usepackage in order for the local
references to come out right; others, such as the plain style, don't]
- the command \bibliography{**name of your .bib file**} where you want
the bibliography to occur, usually right before the \end{document}
command
- \cite commands for the individuals references; note that you can
make non-referenced items appear by meanns of the \nocite{} command
2.
- typeset the file with TeXShop's LaTeX-command: shift-command-L
- run BibTeX on it with TeXShop's BiBTeX-command: shift-command-B
[make sure the .bib file is in the same folder as the file you're
typesetting; there are other ways to make sure that BiBTeX is able to
find the .bib file, but this works always]
- type-set the file once more: now the bibliography should appear
- type-set again: now the references in the text shoulds be there
Hope this helps,
Martin
On Thursday, Oct 17, 2002, at 17:23 Europe/Amsterdam, Stephan Hochhaus
wrote:
> OK, I think I have figured out pretty much all there is to know for a
> first time Mac LaTeX user, but I cannot get a bibliography done.
> I used Bibdesk to enter all my books and articles and saved it as a
> file called rhetoric.bib. I also tried to get it into my Texshop
> document using \include and \begin{thebibliography}, but nothing
> worked.
>
> Can anyone point me to a solution how to create a bibliography out of
> a bib file using texshop?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Stephan
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Using Bibdesk for a bibliography
From: "Stephan Hochhaus"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:07:28 +0200
Hello,
> Assuming your new to LaTeX and BiBTeX, here is the routine (if you're
not, and your problem is due to something > else, please excuse me for
giving these elementary instructions):
Thanks a lot, this is exactly what I was looking for!
Stephan
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Keith M. Chugg"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:10:51 -0700
>I have created pdf exports with OmniGraffle and included them in TeX
>docs and everything looked good. All of my TeX output goes to pdf,
>not dvi.
Me too. This is great. Once I get used to using a drawing program, I
like to stick with it. Sometimes I need to generate some powerpoint
slides, so including pictures from omnigraffle to MS products is of
interest for me.
>To make a test of this cut and paste issue using system fonts --
>Helvetica-12-Regular and Bold -- I typed text into OmniGraffle,
>selected it as an object, copied it, pasted it in TextEdit and Word.
>In Text Edit it looks okay. In Word it looks fuzzy. Then I saved all
>three docs -- OmniGraffle, TextEdit and Word -- to pdf. OmniGraffle
>pdf was very clear, TextEdit pdf was little fuzzy. Word pdf was a
>fuzzy mess, almost a blur.
>
>To continue, I then exported the text from OmniGraffle as pdf,
>imported by drag-and-drop it into both TextEdit and Word, and saved
>the TextEdit and Word docs as pdf. Comparing these three pdf docs --
>the original OmniGraffle exported pdf, TextEdit-generated pdf and
>Word-generated pdf -- there was very little difference. But my eyes
>are 52 years old.
Interesting. I see a big difference in Textedit, but little or none in =
Word.
I noticed something similar with equation service & omnigraffle: tou
can either (1) you use the "services" in omnigraffle to typeset
something or (2) typeset it in the equation services app and drag and
drop to omnigraffle. Both methods produce the same printed pdf
quality, but (2) produces better on screen quality.
Regarding the fonts, I think that the cmr fonts from my classic
installation of textures are being accessed by OSX in some apps, but
with problems. Word sees all the textures fonts, but some of the
character mappings are messed up - e.g., a space in cmr12 produces a
\Phi. In other apps (Omnigraffle & Key Caps) it only sees "computer
modern" and when you type in this font, it is displaying the tex
stmbol fonts. Strange...
Oh well, hopefully this will get better. I was hoping that Quartz
would allow for high-res copy n paste from preview of any pdf
document.
Keith
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Seminar package on OS X
From: "Lee Phillips"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:58:50 -0400
I had problems like this with the {slides} package, and I was able to cure =
it
by saying \documentclass[letterpaper,portrait]{slides}. If seminar accepts
these options, give it a try.
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Subject: using ghostscript
From: "Keith M. Chugg"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:10:00 -0700
If I want to view and eps/ps file w/o converting to pdf, what do I
use? The Texshop/Tetex install included ghostscript, can that be
used? If so, how? Also, the system associates .eps w/ graphics
converter, but this program wants an .eps helper - e.g., ghostscript.
I think ghostscript is in /usr/bin, but I don't know which file in
there is the "executable" .
Is there a GUI front end for this? I want to be able to open a .eps,
check its bounding box, and modify that before converting to .pdf...
keith
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] using ghostscript
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:28:46 +0200
Le jeudi, 17 oct 2002, =E0 21:10 Europe/Paris, Keith M. Chugg a =E9crit =
:
> If I want to view and eps/ps file w/o converting to pdf, what do I=20
> use? The Texshop/Tetex install included ghostscript, can that be=20
> used? If so, how? Also, the system associates .eps w/ graphics=20
> converter, but this program wants an .eps helper - e.g., ghostscript.=20=
> I think ghostscript is in /usr/bin, but I don't know which file in=20
> there is the "executable" .
>
> Is there a GUI front end for this? I want to be able to open a .eps,=20=
> check its bounding box, and modify that before converting to .pdf...
Some GUI I am aware of:
- MacGSView at http://www.ghostscript.com/macos/index.htm (the=20
"official" port, Classic only).
- MacGhostView at http://www.kiffe.com/macghostview.html (Tom Kiffe's=20
port, Classic version).
- MacGhostViewX at http://www.kiffe.com/tex/carbon.html (Tom Kiffe's=20
port, OS X version).
As for Graphic Converter, I use it with MacGSView and it does work=20
well. Not as well, though, as dragging the EPS file onto TeXShop and=20
having it magically converted to a PDF file that Preview.app can=20
display and convert to TIFF, JPEG, PICT, PNG etc. But yes, Graphic=20
Converter can modify the file whereas Preview.app can't.
Bruno Voisin=
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Re: Seminar package on OS X
From: "Ettore Aldrovandi"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:15:39 -0400 (EDT)
Hi,
if the pdf is being produced with pdflatex, the powersem.cls class in the
texpower bundle should take care of the portrait vs. landscape mismatch.
It wraps the seminar base class. Note that one need not use the texpower
package for this, just the powersem class.
--
Ettore Aldrovandi
Department of Mathematics mailto:aldrovandi@math.fsu.edu
Florida State University http://www.math.fsu.edu/~ealdrov
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Subject: Concatenating pdf's again...
From: "Warren Nagourney"
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:56:13 -0700
Hello,
I just discovered that Preview (in 10.2, possibly in earlier systems)
allows one to construct a multipage pdf by selecting a group of
individual pdf files and dragging the group onto the Preview icon. Even
though it treats the collection as a multipage document by displaying a
list of the individual thumbnails, I can't save it as a multipage
document nor can I change the order of the pages.
As one who hates Acrobat with a passion, I am looking for an
alternative way of making a multipage pdf document. (I haven't been
able to get texexec to work.) Has anybody explored this possibility
with Preview?
Thanks.
Warren Nagourney
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