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MacOSX-TeX Digest #456 - Wednesday, October 16, 2002
What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Keith M. Chugg"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Roel Wuyts"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Bob Kerstetter"
Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
by "Lee Phillips"
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Subject: What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Keith M. Chugg"
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:32:45 -0700
This is a little off-topic, but why doesn't copy-n-paste between
applications work the way it "should" in OSX? Example, draw a
diagram in Omnigraffle, copy it and paste it into a Word document.
When you view/print this, the diagram is fuzzy as if you clipped it
out of a pdf document using Acrobat reader.
I guess that some applications support pdf cut-n-paste with high
quality (e.g., equation service to omnigraffle works nicely). Can
anybody explain this to me or point me to a reference? I started
using Macs in the 80s b/c I could cut from one app and paste into
another - what gives now? Isn't this what "display pdf" was supposed
to do for us? Is this a carbon/cocoa thing or a transitional issue?
This is related to an early post to this group in which I asked if
anybody knew a *simple* way to get figures from my Textures-world
(those that were generated with Superpaint or Kaliedagraph) into
high-res pdf files. If I view a .pdf of a textures-typeset document
and select-copy the graphics and paste into omnigraph, I can extract
just the figure in pdf format. Unfortunately, this is the
"fuzzy-pdf" version as opposed to the eps-like pdf. Still looking
for an easy way to do this...
help...
Keith
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From:
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:04:29 +1000
>applications work the way it "should" in OSX? Example, draw a
>diagram in Omnigraffle, copy it and paste it into a Word document.
>When you view/print this, the diagram is fuzzy as if you clipped it
You need to question why anything does not work properly in Word? What
does work properly in Word?
Bill Northcott
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:20:27 +0200
> This is a little off-topic, but why doesn't copy-n-paste between
> applications work the way it "should" in OSX? Example, draw a diagram
> in Omnigraffle, copy it and paste it into a Word document. When you
> view/print this, the diagram is fuzzy as if you clipped it out of a
> pdf document using Acrobat reader.
At one point there was a functionality in Word related to copy/paste
illustrations (or was it a hidden OS-wide functionality?): doing a
normal Copy (Cmd-C) copied a QuickDraw version of the figure which
could then be pasted into Word, while Shift-Copy (Shift-Cmd-C) copied
the EPS code for this figure and it was then this EPS version which was
pasted into Word.
I don't know what the situation is now, as I don't willingly use Word,
I just found out about the above trick on occasions when I was giving
colleagues a hand.
Bruno Voisin
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Roel Wuyts"
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:25:42 +0200
We had lot of problems as well, especially with Microsoft apps
(Powerpoint, etc.).
Try to use 'Paste special' instead of 'paste' - it lets you choose the
format. Sometimes this helps. For the things that I paste, I always
have to use 'paste special'...
On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 08:20 AM, Bruno Voisin wrote:
>> This is a little off-topic, but why doesn't copy-n-paste between
>> applications work the way it "should" in OSX? Example, draw a
>> diagram in Omnigraffle, copy it and paste it into a Word document.
>> When you view/print this, the diagram is fuzzy as if you clipped it
>> out of a pdf document using Acrobat reader.
>
> At one point there was a functionality in Word related to copy/paste
> illustrations (or was it a hidden OS-wide functionality?): doing a
> normal Copy (Cmd-C) copied a QuickDraw version of the figure which
> could then be pasted into Word, while Shift-Copy (Shift-Cmd-C) copied
> the EPS code for this figure and it was then this EPS version which
> was pasted into Word.
>
> I don't know what the situation is now, as I don't willingly use Word,
> I just found out about the above trick on occasions when I was giving
> colleagues a hand.
>
> Bruno Voisin
>
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Bob Kerstetter"
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:22:43 -0500
On Tuesday, Oct 15, 2002, at 21:32 US/Central, Keith M. Chugg wrote:
> This is a little off-topic, but why doesn't copy-n-paste between
> applications work the way it "should" in OSX? Example, draw a diagram
> in Omnigraffle, copy it and paste it into a Word document. When you
> view/print this, the diagram is fuzzy as if you clipped it out of a
> pdf document using Acrobat reader.
>
Since we're off topic anyway, Word does not work with anything else
well, or so it appears. No services. No cut and paste. No useful HTML
export. 31-character filename limits. Excessive resource eating. Poor
behavior in its memory space. But I deal with some marketplace
realities that force the use of Word.
When going from OmniGraffle to Word, I export as PDF and then import
the PDF image through Word's image include function. It seems to size a
little better that way. Before sending the Word doc to my customer, I
copy it via samba connection to a PC to strip off the resource fork
then mail it on. What the customer receives is a Word doc with meta
images.
Back on topic, the reason I am learning TeX-ish things is to replace
Word as much as possible. (The same goes for replacing InDesign.) Since
my customers do no editing, I am weaning them off Word docs and on to
PDFs. I will probably never be able to just trash Word, but am having
to use it less all of the time.
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] What is Copy and Paste in OS X?
From: "Lee Phillips"
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:34:34 -0400
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 07:32:45PM -0700, Keith M. Chugg wrote:
> I started
> using Macs in the 80s b/c I could cut from one app and paste into
> another - what gives now?
In the pre-unix Mac days, what actually happened when you
cut-and-pasted graphics was dependent on the applications. With
some pairs of programs you could not get high resolution pictures
transferred this way, with some you could. I guess the situation
is basically the same now.
> This is related to an early post to this group in which I asked if
> anybody knew a *simple* way to get figures from my Textures-world
> (those that were generated with Superpaint or Kaliedagraph) into
> high-res pdf files.
Can you use the original programs to "print" the pictures to postscript?
If so, you're done. If the pictures are PICTs that are being included
by TeXtures, you can do this with any program that can read PICT. Why
can't you open the pictures with Preview and save as PDF?
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