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MacOSX-TeX Digest #432 - Friday, September 20, 2002
Re: Changing Textures files to std TeX - fugures?
by "david craig"
OT: presentations for math
by
Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
by "Ross Moore"
Accent bug with times
by "Ralph Martin"
Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: Changing Textures files to std TeX
by "Larry Paulson"
Re: [OS X TeX] Changing Textures files to std TeX - fugures?
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
by "Luis Sequeira"
Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
by "Martin Costabel"
Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
by "Ralph Martin"
Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
by "Themis Matsoukas"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
by "Arun"
Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
by "Bruno Voisin"
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Subject: Re: Changing Textures files to std TeX - fugures?
From: "david craig"
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:17:31 -0400 (EDT)
I don't know if I can help with the font question, but I have had to
convert large numbers of Textures files to a form compatible with OzTeX
before. If the files I had in hand were any guide, Textures keeps
copies of the figures in the corresponding TeX files's resource fork. I
extracted them with CanOpener, and used a script (long lost, I fear) to
convert the Textures special to something more LaTeX compatible.
Are copies of your figures in your Textures files' resource forks? Any
chance Textures embedded the fonts in them?
David Craig
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Subject: OT: presentations for math
From:
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:31:21 -0400
Most of you know how much this list has has helped, as I support the
Mac OS X users here at our Math Dept. They use these wonderful teX
packages sand programs that I install (thanks Gerben, Richard, Fink,
Gnu and Open Source).
I have professor who doesn't know teX (I have showed how much more
beautiful things could look), alas....
He has several grad students, one of whom makes plots and adds
captioning on the left, vertically, and at the bottom. he saves this
as a .ps file.
Here's the rub and here is where I ask for ideas, solutions,
alternatives, as I am not a graphics expert either, oh dear!
Hold on to your stomach!
He, the professor, wants to bring the .ps files into PowerPoint. So, I
use PhotoShop to run up the quality of the jpeg conversion and it looks
"OK" when displayed on screen, I guess, rather he thinks so.
However, he has, it seems, now learned to use PowerPoint's built in
capabilities and if you ask me those slides (text and titles, scans)
just don't help make his imported graphic files look really good.
Besides the idea I JUST had (maybe to *scan* in his .ps files!...
hmm... still makes it a jpeg, but maybe I can produce a better and
bigger one) anyone have any ideas?
We tried converting ps/pdf but it seems PowerPoint doesn't much ps or
pdf.
I simply thought, though that I *must* be missing some GOOD idea or
solution.
Thank you,
Ted Rogers
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
From: "Ross Moore"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:17:15 +1000 (EST)
>
> Here's the rub and here is where I ask for ideas, solutions,
> alternatives, as I am not a graphics expert either, oh dear!
> Hold on to your stomach!
> He, the professor, wants to bring the .ps files into PowerPoint. So, I
Use Acrobat Reader instead.
Generate PDFs, with incremental page-builds, then use AR as the reader.
You get the full capability of TeX typesetting and PDF rendering,
with most of the same functionality of PowerPoint that he's likely
to want to use.
> use PhotoShop to run up the quality of the jpeg conversion and it looks
> "OK" when displayed on screen, I guess, rather he thinks so.
You don't need to convert to JPEG this way, so the quality stays
as high as it can be.
> However, he has, it seems, now learned to use PowerPoint's built in
> capabilities and if you ask me those slides (text and titles, scans)
> just don't help make his imported graphic files look really good.
> We tried converting ps/pdf but it seems PowerPoint doesn't much ps or
> pdf.
Use AR as a presentation tool.
Check out the Full Screen mode, and associated menu options.
> I simply thought, though that I *must* be missing some GOOD idea or
> solution.
For some example documents done this way, with TeX of course:
http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/texdev/MATHS/MATH237/StudyGuide2K1e2/
click on 'Unit Outline', then find the links to 'slides'.
(There are several of them, each for a different lecture.)
For more information on this technique, using the same macros
or several other macro packages, consult:
http://www.tug.org/tug2001/bulletin/slides.html
I think you will like what you find there.
All the best,
Ross Moore
> Thank you,
> Ted Rogers
>
>
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Subject: Accent bug with times
From: "Ralph Martin"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:51:09 +0100
Anyone else seen this apparent bug when using the times package,
Texshop, and Gerben Weirda's distribution? Who should I report it to?
> Typeset the latex file below using tex and Ghostscript (7), rather
> than pdftex.
>
> In Section 1, note that the accent over the first "a" in Varady's name
> comes out in the correct place, over the a. However, in the
> References, it is displaced to the left, and not over the a.
>
> -----
> \documentclass[10pt]{article}
>
> \usepackage{times}
>
> \begin{document}
>
> \title{Approximate Congruence Detection}
>
> \maketitle
>
> \section{Acknowledgements}
>
> The authors wish to thank Tam\'as V\'arady.
>
> \begin{thebibliography}{00}
>
> \small
>
> \bibitem{VMC97}
> T.~V\'arady,
> Reverse engineering.
> \end{thebibliography}
>
> \end{document}
--
Prof Ralph Martin
Dept of Computer Science Phone: +44(0)29 2087 5536
Cardiff University Fax: +44(0)29 2087 4598
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:38:37 +0200
Le vendredi, 20 sep 2002, =E0 09:51 Europe/Paris, Ralph Martin a =E9crit =
:
> Anyone else seen this apparent bug when using the times package,=20
> Texshop, and Gerben Weirda's distribution? Who should I report it to?
>
>> Typeset the latex file below using tex and Ghostscript (7), rather=20
>> than pdftex.
>>
>> In Section 1, note that the accent over the first "a" in Varady's=20
>> name comes out in the correct place, over the a. However, in the=20
>> References, it is displaced to the left, and not over the a.
>>
>> -----
>> \documentclass[10pt]{article}
>>
>> \usepackage{times}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>>
>> \title{Approximate Congruence Detection}
>>
>> \maketitle
>>
>> \section{Acknowledgements}
>>
>> The authors wish to thank Tam\'as V\'arady.
>>
>> \begin{thebibliography}{00}
>>
>> \small
>>
>> \bibitem{VMC97}
>> T.~V\'arady,
>> Reverse engineering.
>> \end{thebibliography}
>>
>> \end{document}
I can think of no other explanation than a bad OT1 metric file=20
ptmr7t.tfm, or some bug in dvips. But that remains a mystery to me.
Yes I see the same problem, when I typeset your file in TeX +=20
GhostScript mode. This problem disappears with either of the following=20=
changes:
(1) add
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
before
\usepackage{times}
(2) suppress
\small
after
\begin{thebibliography}{00}
(3) add
\small
after
\section{Acknowledgements}
Bruno Voisin=
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Subject: Re: Changing Textures files to std TeX
From: "Larry Paulson"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:42:38 +0100
> Question: does anybody have any suggestions on how to transition with
> the least amount of pain? I know that I can open super paint docs in
> classic, print to .ps and then convert to pdf, but this will cause lots
> of headaches with the bounding boxes, etc. - this was the draw of
> Textures in the first place.
Textures runs fine in Classic mode, where it provides much more =
functionality
than TeXShop does. It is also easier to use; in particular you don't need =
to
create your own tetex tree in order to store your macro files.
Textures always uses Mac-style line breaks, which can cause problems for
people using other computers. BBEdit Lite lets you convert line breaks,
though. Open the file and use the first button from the left of the =
toolbar.
You can even convert to DOS line breaks (horror).
Larry Paulson
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Changing Textures files to std TeX - fugures?
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:44:19 +0200
First, maybe you are not aware of this, but an OS X Textures is
informally announced for about the end of this year, see
. That doesn't answer the
issue about interacting with the rest of the world (one of the reasons
why I started using OzTeX, DirectTeX and now TeXShop over the years, in
addition to Textures), but we all don't know what the features of this
new Textures will be.
About figures: here is a procedure I just tried, and it seems to work,
for KaleidaGraph graphs included in a Textures document:
- From Textures (in Classic), print a page with the figures you want to
convert, selecting the output of this operation to be a standard Mac
EPS file.
- Open this EPS file in Illustrator. Illustrator is able to recognize
all the letters, points, curves, axes etc. as individual elements which
you can manipulate. You can then edit the KaleidaGraph graph as any
figure.
- After doing all the required editing, save your work as an
Illustrator EPS file.
- Open the file in MacGSView and save as PDF. Or run the script
epstopdf provided in Gerben Wierda's teTeX distribution, from
Terminal.app, using the syntax:
epstopdf test-illustrator.eps
for an individual file, or for a folder containing several EPS files to
be processed all in one go:
apply epstopdf *.eps
By either procedure the resulting PDF file has the correct bounding
box, and you will also notice it is much, much smaller than the
intermediary EPS files.
I assume this works for KaleidaGraph files because KaleidaGraph, when
exporting graphs to PostScript PICT format which I think is the
default, includes an EPS representation of the file as comments in the
PICT resource which is the basic constituant of the file. This hidden
EPS representation is used for printing, hence the good printed quality.
Another procedure I tried is saving from Textures in PICT format
(navigate to a page in the preview window, then "Save as..." and select
PICT format). However, afterwards Illustrator has problems for opening
the file, every KaleidaGraph figure is duplicated in two different
sizes, which I assume are the two different PICT and EPS
representations of the figure in the file.
Mathematica 2, at a time when the documentation for the Macintosh front
end was decent, had a detailed description of the different graphic
formats. PostScript PICT is called "PICT with Embedded PostScript" in
Mathematica.
As for SuperPaint I don't know, I just used SuperPaint 1 and 2 for a
couple of days around '88, if it doesn't support EPS format either
directly or through PostScript PICT, the preceding procedure based on
printing to EPS file from within Textures will probably work, but the
quality of the output will be fairly low (markedly "bitmapped").
Hope this helps,
Bruno Voisin
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
From: "Luis Sequeira"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:53:19 +0100
What about using GraphicConverter to do a batch conversion (it should
at least work if these are .eps, which would make more sense than
=2Eps). GraphicConverter's "Convert..." command can do any number of
files at once, select the quality of the jpeg output, adjust
contrast, and a lot more.
>Most of you know how much this list has has helped, as I support the
>Mac OS X users here at our Math Dept. They use these wonderful teX
>packages sand programs that I install (thanks Gerben, Richard, Fink,
>Gnu and Open Source).
>
>I have professor who doesn't know teX (I have showed how much more
>beautiful things could look), alas....
>
>He has several grad students, one of whom makes plots and adds
>captioning on the left, vertically, and at the bottom. he saves
>this as a .ps file.
>
>Here's the rub and here is where I ask for ideas, solutions,
>alternatives, as I am not a graphics expert either, oh dear!
>Hold on to your stomach!
>He, the professor, wants to bring the .ps files into PowerPoint.
>So, I use PhotoShop to run up the quality of the jpeg conversion and
>it looks "OK" when displayed on screen, I guess, rather he thinks so.
>However, he has, it seems, now learned to use PowerPoint's built in
>capabilities and if you ask me those slides (text and titles, scans)
>just don't help make his imported graphic files look really good.
>
>Besides the idea I JUST had (maybe to *scan* in his .ps files!...
>hmm... still makes it a jpeg, but maybe I can produce a better and
>bigger one) anyone have any ideas?
>
>We tried converting ps/pdf but it seems PowerPoint doesn't much ps or pdf.
>
>I simply thought, though that I *must* be missing some GOOD idea or solutio=
n.
>
>Thank you,
>Ted Rogers
>
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Sauda=E7=F5es acad=E9micas
Lu=EDs Sequeira
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
From: "Martin Costabel"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:11:40 +0200
Bruno Voisin wrote:
> Le vendredi, 20 sep 2002, =E0 09:51 Europe/Paris, Ralph Martin a =E9cri=
t :
>=20
>> Anyone else seen this apparent bug when using the times package,=20
>> Texshop, and Gerben Weirda's distribution? Who should I report it to?
>>
>>> Typeset the latex file below using tex and Ghostscript (7), rather=20
>>> than pdftex.
Ah, so there remain bugs in ghostscript 7, after all. I thought it was=20
safe to switch from gs6 to gs7, now that the quartz preview bugs wrt gs7=20
were said to be fixed in jaguar. But this one shows up in Acrobat, too.
>>> In Section 1, note that the accent over the first "a" in Varady's=20
>>> name comes out in the correct place, over the a. However, in the=20
>>> References, it is displaced to the left, and not over the a.
[]
> I can think of no other explanation than a bad OT1 metric file=20
> ptmr7t.tfm, or some bug in dvips. But that remains a mystery to me.
But it is not in the ps file. And it is not in the pdf either, if you=20
use ps2pdf from ghostscript version 6. It is definitely a bug in ps2pdf=20
=66rom ghostscript 7.
I am talking about ghostscript 6.01 vs 7.04 here, installed by fink, on=20
top of tetex and dvips also installed by fink. So this is not a problem=20
of recent tetex and dvips from Gerben Wierda, either.
--=20
Martin
--=20
Martin
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
From: "Ralph Martin"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:16:16 +0100
On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 11:11 AM, Martin Costabel wrote:
>>> Anyone else seen this apparent bug when using the times package,
>>> Texshop, and Gerben Weirda's distribution? Who should I report it >>> =
to?
>>>
>>>> Typeset the latex file below using tex and Ghostscript (7), rather
>>>> than pdftex.
> But it is not in the ps file. And it is not in the pdf either, if you
> use ps2pdf from ghostscript version 6. It is definitely a bug in
> ps2pdf from ghostscript 7.
>
> I am talking about ghostscript 6.01 vs 7.04 here, installed by fink,
> on top of tetex and dvips also installed by fink. So this is not a
> problem of recent tetex and dvips from Gerben Wierda, either.
I used Gerben's Ghostscript 7 installer, for what its worth.
(Running Jaguar 10.2.1, which does fix certain errors in display /
printing of pdf files).
Anyway, can anyone tell me to whom I should report this bug? Gerben,
probably rightly, says not to him.
Ralph
--
Prof Ralph Martin
Dept of Computer Science Phone: +44(0)29 2087 5536
Cardiff University Fax: +44(0)29 2087 4598
PO Box 916, 5 The Parade Email: mailto:ralph@cs.cf.ac.uk
Cardiff, CF24 3XF, United Kingdom WWW: http://ralph.cs.cf.ac.uk/
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Accent bug with times
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:38:03 +0200
Le vendredi, 20 sep 2002, =E0 12:11 Europe/Paris, Martin Costabel a =
=E9crit=20
:
> But it is not in the ps file. And it is not in the pdf either, if you=20=
> use ps2pdf from ghostscript version 6. It is definitely a bug in=20
> ps2pdf from ghostscript 7.
>
> I am talking about ghostscript 6.01 vs 7.04 here, installed by fink,=20=
> on top of tetex and dvips also installed by fink. So this is not a=20
> problem of recent tetex and dvips from Gerben Wierda, either.
It seems to be linked also with the PDF version. ps2pdf calls the=20
script ps2pdf12, which from the PS file produced by TeXShop produces=20
bad output in PDF 1.2 format. Now if ps2pdf13 is called directly, the=20
output is correct and in PDF 1.3 format. (I have both scripts in=20
/usr/local/bin. I installed first gs6, then gs7 on top of it, both=20
times with Gerben's i-Installer.)
But yes, it is definitely linked with the underlying script=20
/usr/local/bin/ps2pdfwr, or to gs called by it. I also ran Distiller on=20=
the PS file, asking for both PDF 1.2 and PDF 1.3 outputs, both are=20
correct.
Bruno Voisin
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
From: "Themis Matsoukas"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:54:32 -0400
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A math professor who uses Power Point..!? Truly amazing... (You're not
making that up?)
> On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 11:31 PM, trogers@math.fsu.edu
> wrote:
>
> [snip] We tried converting ps/pdf but it seems PowerPoint doesn't much
> ps or pdf.
You can import pdf figures into Power Point using Insert>Picture>From
File... (worked with power point X). Looks fine on the OS X screen but
I have no idea how it will look when the same ppt file is viewed on a
pc. Last time I exported a mac ppt file on a pc, the result was
disappointing bordering to disastrous (however that case involved
figures inserted as eps, not pdf).
Themis Matsoukas
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A math professor who uses Power Point..!? Truly amazing... (You're not
making that up?)
On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 11:31 PM,
trogers@math.fsu.edu wrote:
[snip] 0000,0000,DEDEWe tried converting ps/pdf
but it seems PowerPoint doesn't much ps or pdf.
You can import pdf figures into Power Point using Insert>Picture>From
File... (worked with power point X). Looks fine on the OS X screen
but I have no idea how it will look when the same ppt file is viewed
on a pc. Last time I exported a mac ppt file on a pc, the result was
disappointing bordering to disastrous (however that case involved
figures inserted as eps, not pdf).
Themis Matsoukas
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
From: "Arun"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:17:26 -0400
Importing to Microsoft products is done in 2 ways: eps or bitmap [jpeg].
If you want to only print the presentation into slides, then you can
import the eps files into Word/Powerpoint [others have commented on how
to do that].
As for conversion from .ps or .eps to jpeg, I do this A LOT, since most
of my pictures from MatLab are exported into eps files [MatLab had
horrible image exporting in my opinion, besides I want to modify
sometimes with Illustrator]. The way I do it is using an open-source
package called ImageMagick. I'm sure, VersionTracker has it. Anyway,
it's a terminal-based program that's immensely useful for batch jobs.
For example [once you have installed ImageMagick], you can use the
following tcsh shell script:
foreach i (*.pdf)
convert -density 288 $i `basename $i .pdf`.jpg
end
What this does is gets all the pdf's [you can put eps in place of pdf]
in the current directory, and converts them to jpeg's with a resolution
of 288dpi [screen resolution is 72]. I end up giving the converted
jpeg's for others to put into their presentations ... There are many
other options other than density that you can use to
crop/scale/resize/etc. your document before turning it into a bitmap
[use ManOpen to look at the "convert" manfile]. Anyway, the jpeg's that
are generated look great to me; you can increase the quality of
compression if you wish [I keep at the default].
- Arun
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Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: presentations for math
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:21:59 +0200
Le vendredi, 20 sep 2002, =E0 16:17 Europe/Paris, Arun a =E9crit :
> As for conversion from .ps or .eps to jpeg, I do this A LOT, since=20
> most of my pictures from MatLab are exported into eps files [MatLab=20
> had horrible image exporting in my opinion, besides I want to modify=20=
> sometimes with Illustrator]. The way I do it is using an open-source =20=
> package called ImageMagick. I'm sure, VersionTracker has it. Anyway,=20=
> it's a terminal-based program that's immensely useful for batch jobs.=20=
> For example [once you have installed ImageMagick], you can use the=20
> following tcsh shell script:
Gerben has prepared a set of i-Installer packages for ImageMagick, see
http://www.rna.nl/ii.html
Bruno voisin
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