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MacOSX-TeX Digest #159 - Wednesday, November 21, 2001
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OzTeX configs in TeXShop?
by "david craig"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] LyX, T1
by "Alexandre Enkerli"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OzTeX configs in TeXShop?
by "Michael Murray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OzTeX configs in TeXShop?
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] LyX, T1
by "J.Huelsmann"
editors
by "Holger Schulz"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
by "Hemant Bhargava"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
by "John Burt"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
by "Mark Smith"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
by "Mark Smith"
BBEdit TeX plugins. dvips doesn't work for me....
by "Charles Bouldin"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
by "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
by "Philippe Lel=E9dy"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit TeX plugins. dvips doesn't work for me....
by "Tom Kiffe"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
by "Michael Murray"
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OzTeX configs in TeXShop?
From: "david craig"
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:20:01 -0500 (EST)
> A better way to think of structuring things may be to place your
> local style files etc. where teTeX/TeXshop/CMacTeX expects them (see
> above) and configure OzTeX to look there as well.
Possibly, but it's teTeX/TeXShop that's on trial right now, not OzTeX.
I'll have to toy with some other possibilities, then.
Thanks for the prompt and definitive responses!
David Craig
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] LyX, T1
From: "Alexandre Enkerli"
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:15:55 -0500 (EST)
[BTW, sorry for double-posting before]
> From: "Jari Lehtonen"
> > document is using "F16" Type 3 fonts. Doesn't this mean that the T1 =
fonts
> > are available under X but not on the Mac OS X side? Isn't there an
> > obvious way to fix this?
>
> It only means that the PDF does not contain scalable versions of =
Computer
> Modern fonts.
I thought about this but then I didn't understand why the same fonts would
work in gving PDFs.
At one point I did try the ae package. Are those really CM fonts? They
looked rather different. But they do seem to work. I think I had a problem
with French quotes, though...
At any rate, the best setup for me has been to assign the lyx->PDF
conversion to tex2pdf and then have the output PDF sent to Acrobat. One of
the advantages is that it generates the Acrobat info based on the title
info. It also offers full support for hyperref and it's supposed to work
with EPS pictures and colors (though I haven't tried yet).
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OzTeX configs in TeXShop?
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:14:00 +1030
>OzTeX supports a nice local folder which can contain configs, style
>files, fonts, and so on quite apart from its default installation files,
>and in particular not conforming to the dreary texmf tree. Makes it
>very, very easy to copy, move or update an OzTeX configuration, for one.
>
>Is there any way to tell TeXShop/tetex to scan this folder for
>config/style/whatever files? (I don't really need two copies of
>everything, and I'm not that interested in committing to the texmf tree
>at this point anyhow.) I've only barely begun to take a look at
>TeXShop, so I know this may be a hopelessly naive question.
>
>Thanks,
>David Craig
>
When I first used TeXShop I just created my own texmf tree
as advised somewhere in the docs. Then I dumped all the style
files I had in OzTeX in the misc folder
/Users/mmurray/Library/texmf/tex/latex/misc/
If you are mostly after all your own style files that will
get you up and running. You can do all this in the finder.
Make a folder in Library called texmf, make a folder in that
called tex etc.
(When my boys first started using the mac they liked
to make nested sequences of untitled folders 20 or so deep and hide
something in the bottom. It feels bit like that ! )
If you have more things like fonts and configs
as I understand it (which is very little) tex under tetex
will look for things only in certain places so if I put fonts
in the same folder I would not find them. So the whole texmf
tree has to be a copy of the standard system texmf tree. Thats
why you have to create the whole sequence of folders above.
I guess you could create a texmf tree which is empty and
make links from various folders in it to folders in your
oztex local folder. Assuming there was sensible
mapping. If some texmf directory had to point at
two oztex folders you would have a problem.
I think you would need to use the
unix style links not just mac finder aliases. Have a look
at the man page for ln.
Like the other people replying to you I tried at one point
to do the reverse of this making oztex read my local texmf
folder. It sort of worked.
Don't forget that when you are finished doing all this
you need to go into terminal and type texhash at the command
line. Or better I guess `sudo texhash'
Michael
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OzTeX configs in TeXShop?
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:33:08 +0100
On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 04:44 , Michael Murray wrote:
> If you have more things like fonts and configs
> as I understand it (which is very little) tex under tetex
> will look for things only in certain places so if I put fonts
> in the same folder I would not find them. So the whole texmf
> tree has to be a copy of the standard system texmf tree. Thats
> why you have to create the whole sequence of folders above.
The story is almost correct. Mostly, only the *first* subfolder below
'texmf' need to be specific.
E.g. ~/Library/texmf/tex/foo.sty will be found by LATeX.
~/Library/texmf/tex for tex,latex,sty,tex source, etc (which is enough
for most people)
~/Library/texmf/fonts for font stuff.
G
Additional info:
The complexity of TeX's search algorithm is a bit of overkill for most
situations. The TDS and kpathsea are very good at giving you different
versions of the same file depending on the program you run. Suppose you
have 2 versions of foo.sty:
~/Library/texmf/tex/foo.sty
~/Library/texmf/pdftex/foo.sty
and one version of bar.sty
~/Library/texmf/tex/bar.sty
pdfTeX will look in ~/Library/texmf/pdftex before it looks in
~/Library/texmf/tex, but TeX will only look in ~/Library/texmf/tex. This
kind of hidden version control is what the TeX file search algorithm is
all about. With the setup above,
pdfTeX will load
~/Library/texmf/pdftex/foo.sty
~/Library/texmf/tex/bar.sty
TeX will load
~/Library/texmf/tex/foo.sty
~/Library/texmf/tex/bar.sty
Nowadays, most sty files and such if they differ for - say - pdfTeX vs.
TeX, will be coded internally to behave differently when loaded by
different TeX engines.
G
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] LyX, T1
From: "J.Huelsmann"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:00:24 +0100
Oh, thank you for this useful hint!
I never managed to get the T1 fonts work with TeXShop and pdf. Wow,
with this it seems to work fine.
I need the T1 fonts because my hyphenation-list always contains words
with (german)umlauts...
....
>It only means that the PDF does not contain scalable versions of
>Computer Modern fonts. If you want to use Computer Modern font, put
>the following three lines into the document preamble:
>
>\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
>\usepackage{ae}
>\usepackage{aecompl}
....
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Subject: editors
From: "Holger Schulz"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:16:52 +0100
Hi everybody,
i just discovered this list and now I should count as newbie here. So it
might be, that the questions I have have already been discussed. Let me =
now
if I'm boring you.
I'm working a O MacOS X machine for three days. TeX is the most important
applcation to me. Formerly I've been working with OzTeX and Alpha under
MacOS 9.x.
I found the TeXShop and I thing it's a good one. Clicking one button and
receiving a PDF output is very Mac like. But i'm used to various features
of Alpha and so I'm looking for a similar one for X or a possibilty to use
the 9 version of Alpha together with teTex.
has anybody an idea? Which editors do you use with OS X?
Thank you in advance.
hs
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
From: "Hemant Bhargava"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:26:32 -0500
Hi Holger -
I did a similar switch .. and I was very fond of Alpha. I am still
waiting for an OSX version - but in the meantime I use BBEdit 6.5 ... it
has a subset of the Alpha/TeX features, does not include many of the TeX
drop-down menus, but it also has certain other file-oriented functions
that are very powerful. Perhaps there are some BBEdit plugins, that give
the same capability for LaTeX editing as BBEdit already contains for
HTML?
- Hemant
On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 12:16 PM, Holger Schulz wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> i just discovered this list and now I should count as newbie here. So it
> might be, that the questions I have have already been discussed. Let me
> now
> if I'm boring you.
>
> I'm working a O MacOS X machine for three days. TeX is the most
> important
> applcation to me. Formerly I've been working with OzTeX and Alpha under
> MacOS 9.x.
>
> I found the TeXShop and I thing it's a good one. Clicking one button and
> receiving a PDF output is very Mac like. But i'm used to various
> features
> of Alpha and so I'm looking for a similar one for X or a possibilty to
> use
> the 9 version of Alpha together with teTex.
>
> has anybody an idea? Which editors do you use with OS X?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> hs
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
From: "John Burt"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:55:39 -0500 (EST)
There's Pepper and a couple of ports of Emacs on Gary Gray's mac-TeX
website. For myself I'm going to stick with classic mode until Alpha is
ported, which should be very soon.
John Burt
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Holger Schulz
wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> i just discovered this list and now I should count as newbie here. So it
> might be, that the questions I have have already been discussed. Let me =
now
> if I'm boring you.
>
> I'm working a O MacOS X machine for three days. TeX is the most =
important
> applcation to me. Formerly I've been working with OzTeX and Alpha under
> MacOS 9.x.
>
> I found the TeXShop and I thing it's a good one. Clicking one button and
> receiving a PDF output is very Mac like. But i'm used to various =
features
> of Alpha and so I'm looking for a similar one for X or a possibilty to =
use
> the 9 version of Alpha together with teTex.
>
> has anybody an idea? Which editors do you use with OS X?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> hs
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
From: "Mark Smith"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:57:18 +0100
On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 06:16 , Holger Schulz wrote:
> I found the TeXShop and I thing it's a good one. Clicking one button and
> receiving a PDF output is very Mac like. But i'm used to various
> features
> of Alpha and so I'm looking for a similar one for X or a possibilty to
> use
> the 9 version of Alpha together with teTex.
>
> has anybody an idea? Which editors do you use with OS X?
No doubt you will get a lot of recommendations for BBEdit and why not.
Its got to be the best text editor for Mac.
However, if you are looking for an editor primarily for editing .tex
files in MacOS X, then I humbly suggest (even as a big fan of BBEdit)
that Pepper...
http://www.hekkelman.com
....is a little more "comfortable" for this particular need.
I've got both BBEdit and Pepper. Talk about decadence.
(Also recommendable (with a "forget about control sequences" approach to
LaTeX) is Scientific Assistant )
mark.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
From: "Mark Smith"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:02:26 +0100
On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 06:26 , Hemant Bhargava wrote:
> Perhaps there are some BBEdit plugins, that give the same capability
> for LaTeX editing as BBEdit already contains for HTML?
There is a glossary (for LaTeX) available:
http://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/bbedit-glossaries.html
thanks to Gianluca Gorni.
Very powerful, but as I mentioned in another message, for me Pepper's
accelerator just pips BBEdit for this particular use.
mark.
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Subject: BBEdit TeX plugins. dvips doesn't work for me....
From: "Charles Bouldin"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:10:22 -0500
>Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBedit Scripts for teTeX (revised)
>From: "Tom Kiffe"
>Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:21:32 -0600
>
>The BBEdit and BBEdit Lite plug-ins I released last week have been
>revised and expanded. The set now contains 17 plug-ins and
>associated shell scripts. These plug-ins require at least OS 10.1
>and have been tested with BBEdit 6.5 and BBEdit Lite 6.1.2. You must
>have installed teTeX so that it can be run from the Terminal
>application. The plug-ins allow you to run tex, latex, pdftex,
>pdflatex, dvips, dvipdfm, ps2pdf, bibtex, and makeindex from BBEdit.
>The plug-ins are arranged in a sub menu of BBEdit's Tools Menu and
>you can bind keys to the plug-ins. The scripts called by the
>plug-ins can be modified by the user to do further processing.
This is nice. I enjoy the minimalist approach of simply connecting an
editor and previewer through a TeX engine that remains largely
invisible. It's working fine for me, except the ps previewing is
messed up somehow. I got the stuff below on the terminal:
>Welcome to Darwin!
>cd "/Volumes/Firewire/Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB"; dvips.script =
mpi111501.dvi
>[h196132:~] charlesb% cd
>"/Volumes/Firewire/Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB"; dvips.script
>mpi111501.dvi
>This is dvips(k) 5.86d Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software
>(www.radicaleye.com)
>' TeX output 2001.11.21:1257' -> |lpr
>dvips: ! couldn't open output pipe
>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% d
>"/Volumes/Firewire/Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB"
>d: Command not found.
>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% ls *.dvi
>mpi111501.dvi
>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% dvips mpi
>mpi111501.aux mpi111501.pdf mpi611.tex* mpi62401.blg* mpi62401.tex*
>mpi111501.dvi mpi111501.tex mpi62401.aux* mpi62401.log*
>mpi111501.log mpi611.aux mpi62401.bbl* mpi62401.pdf*
>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% dvips mpi11
>mpi111501.aux mpi111501.dvi mpi111501.log mpi111501.pdf mpi111501.tex
>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% dvips mpi111501.dvi
>This is dvips(k) 5.86d Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software
>(www.radicaleye.com)
>' TeX output 2001.11.21:1302' -> |lpr
>. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] jobs
>queued, but cannot start daemon.
>
>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb%
From this I gather that dvips isn't launching correctly? But I don't
know how to fix it....
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
From: "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:56:34 -0800
I can't compare BBEdit to Alpha since I've never used Alpha... however,
you should make sure you download the LaTex glossary for BBEdit. Not
only is it pretty complete, but you can add your own 'patterns' with
ease.
Fredrik
On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 09:26 AM, Hemant Bhargava wrote:
> Hi Holger -
>
> I did a similar switch .. and I was very fond of Alpha. I am still
> waiting for an OSX version - but in the meantime I use BBEdit 6.5 ...
> it has a subset of the Alpha/TeX features, does not include many of the
> TeX drop-down menus, but it also has certain other file-oriented
> functions that are very powerful. Perhaps there are some BBEdit
> plugins, that give the same capability for LaTeX editing as BBEdit
> already contains for HTML?
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
From: "Philippe Lel=E9dy"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:29:59 +0100 (CET)
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Holger Schulz wrote:
>
> But i'm used to various features
> of Alpha and so I'm looking for a similar one for X or a possibilty to =
use
> the 9 version of Alpha together with teTex.
>
> has anybody an idea? Which editors do you use with OS X?
>
For hevily usage, I'm still using Alpha on Classic, that I've heaviy
customize. I tex my files under teTeX with the simple script
perl atchange .tex "pdflatex .tex ; open
.pdf
So BSD for teTeX, Aqua for preview, and Alpha for input.
I hope Alpha/X arrives soon.
Salutations.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit TeX plugins. dvips doesn't work for me....
From: "Tom Kiffe"
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:18:00 -0600
>>Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBedit Scripts for teTeX (revised)
>>From: "Tom Kiffe"
>>Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:21:32 -0600
>>
>>The BBEdit and BBEdit Lite plug-ins I released last week have been =
revised and expanded. The set now contains 17 plug-ins and associated =
shell scripts. These plug-ins require at least OS 10.1 and have been =
tested with BBEdit 6.5 and BBEdit Lite 6.1.2. You must have installed =
teTeX so that it can be run from the Terminal application. The plug-ins =
allow you to run tex, latex, pdftex, pdflatex, dvips, dvipdfm, ps2pdf, =
bibtex, and makeindex from BBEdit. The plug-ins are arranged in a sub menu =
of BBEdit's Tools Menu and you can bind keys to the plug-ins. The scripts =
called by the plug-ins can be modified by the user to do further =
processing.
>
>This is nice. I enjoy the minimalist approach of simply connecting an =
editor and previewer through a TeX engine that remains largely invisible. =
It's working fine for me, except the ps previewing is messed up somehow. I =
got the stuff below on the terminal:
>
>>Welcome to Darwin!
>>cd "/Volumes/Firewire/Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB"; dvips.script =
mpi111501.dvi
>>[h196132:~] charlesb% cd =
"/Volumes/Firewire/Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB"; dvips.script =
mpi111501.dvi
>>This is dvips(k) 5.86d Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software =
(www.radicaleye.com)
>>' TeX output 2001.11.21:1257' -> |lpr
>>dvips: ! couldn't open output pipe
>>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% d =
"/Volumes/Firewire/Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB"
>>d: Command not found.
>>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% ls *.dvi
>>mpi111501.dvi
>>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% dvips mpi
>>mpi111501.aux mpi111501.pdf mpi611.tex* mpi62401.blg* =
mpi62401.tex*
>>mpi111501.dvi mpi111501.tex mpi62401.aux* mpi62401.log* mpi111501.log =
mpi611.aux mpi62401.bbl* mpi62401.pdf* =
[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% dvips mpi11
>>mpi111501.aux mpi111501.dvi mpi111501.log mpi111501.pdf =
mpi111501.tex
>>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb% dvips mpi111501.dvi
>>This is dvips(k) 5.86d Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software =
(www.radicaleye.com)
>>' TeX output 2001.11.21:1302' -> |lpr
>>. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] jobs queued, =
but cannot start daemon.
>>
>>[h196132:Textures/papers/FeffMPI_PRB] charlesb%
>
>From this I gather that dvips isn't launching correctly? But I don't know =
how to fix it....
>
Your config.ps file is telling dvips to pipe its output to lpr, the =
standard printer on Unix. You should comment out the line
o |lpr
and dvips will send its output to a file. You can avoid having to change a =
config file by editing dvips.script. Change the line
dvips $OPTIONS $1
to
dvips $OPTIONS -o ${argv[1]:r}".ps" $1
This is a simple example of how you can modify the bbedit plug-in scripts =
to have them do exactly what you want.
Tom Kiffe
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] editors
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:38:41 +1030
>There's Pepper and a couple of ports of Emacs on Gary Gray's mac-TeX
>website. For myself I'm going to stick with classic mode until Alpha is
>ported, which should be very soon.
>John Burt
>
I hope you are right and AlphaX comes out soon. I thought we
were getting Alpha* and AlphaX. Do you have some inside info :-)
Michael
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