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MacOSX-TeX Digest #153 - Wednesday, November 14, 2001
[Mac OS X TeX]Update 10.1.1 fixes PDF crash problem
by "Richard Koch"
[Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Tom Kiffe"
Mac-specific font install documents
by "William Adams"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "James Owen"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Nicholas Riley"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Tom Kiffe"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "James Owen"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Adrian Heathcote"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Michael Murray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Michael Murray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Bernard Knaepen"
[Mac OS X TeX] item for TeXShop wishlist
by "Michael Murray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Gilbert Harman"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "John Burt"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Michael Murray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Michael Murray"
Using CMacTeX with TeXShop
by "Maarten Sneep"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] item for TeXShop wishlist
by "William Adams"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Using CMacTeX with TeXShop
by "Michel Bovani"
[Mac OS X TeX] Alpha for OS X?: was BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Alan Curtis"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "V. Vatsal"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Alpha for OS X?: was BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Michael Goldweber"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Richard Koch"
TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teT
by "William Adams"
Re: TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for
by "Jon Guyer"
Re: TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for
by "Cyrill R=FCttimann"
Re: TeXShop External Editors
by "Mark Smith"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
by "William Adams"
Re: TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for
by "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
by "Hemant Bhargava"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
by "Jon Guyer"
makefiles feature request (Re: TeXShop External Editors)
by "Martin Bauer"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
by "Chris Goedde"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] makefiles feature request (Re: TeXShop External Editor
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
by "Jon Guyer"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Using CMacTeX with TeXShop
by "Troy Goodson"
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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX]Update 10.1.1 fixes PDF crash problem
From: "Richard Koch"
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:05:32 -0800
Folks,
Apple just released Mac OS X 10.1.1 Update via the Software Update
mechanism. This update fixes the PDF crash problem discussed
earlier on the list (namely, certain pdf illustrations in TeX documents
could crash TeXShop and the entire system, forcing a reboot).
Therefore, TeXShop users should promptly install the update.
Dick Koch
koch@math.uoregon.edu
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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Tom Kiffe"
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:26:43 -0600
I have created three BBEdit and BBEdit Lite plug-ins that allow you to =
issue commands from BBEdit to typeset a file with pdftex and preview it =
with Acrobat Reader. These plug-ins give BBEdit much of the functionality =
of TeXShop combined with a much more sophisticated editor.
The plug-ins work as follows. Open a tex document in BBEdit. After editing =
the file go to BBEdit's Tool Menu and select pdflatex if your document =
uses the latex format or pdftex if your document uses the plain format. =
The plug-in opens a Terminal window, changes directory to the directory =
containing your tex source file and issues the command to run either =
pdflatex or pdftex on your source file. When processing is finished and =
you have checked the Terminal output for possible errors, hit command-w to =
close the Terminal window and return to BBEdit. Now choose Reader from =
BBEdit's Tool Menu and the plug-in will launch Acrobat Reader 5.0 and have =
it display the pdf file just created.
These plug-ins require that you have installed teTeX so that it can be run =
from the Terminal application and not just from TeXShop. It takes several =
seconds for the plug-ins to launch the Terminal or Acrobat Reader so, once =
these programs are running, close windows rather than quit the programs =
during a typesetting session. If the programs are running the plug-ins =
work quite quickly.
These plug-ins are just prototypes of what is possible when you want to =
use
BBEdit as your TeX editor with teTeX . If there is sufficient interest in
pursuing this topic I can easily create plug-ins for calling dvips, =
ps2pdf, bibtex, makeindex, etc. I would gladly accept the assistance of =
anyone who would like to help me make BBEdit a viable alternative to =
TeXShop.
The plug-ins can be downloaded from =
http://www.kiffe.com/tex/programs/bbedit_plugins_for_teTeX.sit.bin (28 K). =
Put the plug-ins in BBEdit's Support:Plug-Ins folder.
--Tom
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Subject: Mac-specific font install documents
From: "William Adams"
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:39:26 -0500
Not sure how this is progressing for anyone else, but came across this
site in a posting to CTT and it had the following useful things:
http://dradul.tripod.com/texfonts/index.htm
(how to use some free Type 1 fonts with (oz)TeX)
http://dradul.tripod.com/ozfonts/index.htm
(beginnings of a guide on how to use fonts with (oz)TeX)
William
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "James Owen"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:53:38 +0900
On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 12:26 pm, Tom Kiffe wrote:
>
> I have created three BBEdit and BBEdit Lite plug-ins that allow you to
> issue commands from BBEdit to typeset a file with pdftex and preview it
> with Acrobat Reader. These plug-ins give BBEdit much of the
> functionality of TeXShop combined with a much more sophisticated editor.
>
I certainly use BBEdit a lot. This seems like a good idea in general.
> The plug-ins work as follows. Open a tex document in BBEdit. After
> editing the file go to BBEdit's Tool Menu and select pdflatex if your
> document uses the latex format or pdftex if your document uses the
> plain format. The plug-in opens a Terminal window, changes directory to
> the directory containing your tex source file and issues the command to
> run either pdflatex or pdftex on your source file. When processing is
> finished and you have checked the Terminal output for possible errors,
> hit command-w to close the Terminal window and return to BBEdit. Now
> choose Reader from BBEdit's Tool Menu and the plug-in will launch
> Acrobat Reader 5.0 and have it display the pdf file just created.
>
The pdf generation worked fine, but the reader tool failed to run
Acrobat Reader, even though it was open at the time. The pdf looks fine
when viewed in Acrobat manually however.
I would certainly be interested in other plugins of this sort.
James
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Nicholas Riley"
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:20:06 -0600
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:26:43PM -0600, Tom Kiffe wrote:
> The plug-ins work as follows. Open a tex document in BBEdit. After
> editing the file go to BBEdit's Tool Menu and select pdflatex if
> your document uses the latex format or pdftex if your document uses
> the plain format. The plug-in opens a Terminal window, changes
> directory to the directory containing your tex source file and
> issues the command to run either pdflatex or pdftex on your source
> file. When processing is finished and you have checked the Terminal
> output for possible errors, hit command-w to close the Terminal
> window and return to BBEdit. Now choose Reader from BBEdit's Tool
> Menu and the plug-in will launch Acrobat Reader 5.0 and have it
> display the pdf file just created.
Nothing happens at all for me - I just get a dialog box telling me
that 'pdflatex' will not be undoable.
--
=3DNicholas Riley | =
Pablo Research Group, Department of Computer Science and
Medical Scholars Program, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:27:21 -0500
On 11/14/01 at 12:53 PM +0900, James Owen wrote:
>The pdf generation worked fine, but the reader tool failed to run
>Acrobat Reader, even though it was open at the time. The pdf looks
>fine when viewed in Acrobat manually however.
The same thing is happening to me here. The Reader tool does not work for =
me.
In addition, how do we turn off the "This operation cannot be undone.
Do you wish to proceed?" message?
Finally, I thought I read somewhere that BBEdit 6.5 allows us to turn
syntax coloring back on for text within dollar signs (it was removed
in version 6.0 and later). Can this be done and how do I it?
--
Gary L. Gray
Associate Professor
Engineering Science & Mechanics
Penn State University
(814) 863-1778
http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Tom Kiffe"
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:54:30 -0600
>On 11/14/01 at 12:53 PM +0900, James Owen wrote:
>
>>The pdf generation worked fine, but the reader tool failed to run =
Acrobat Reader, even though it was open at the time. The pdf looks fine =
when viewed in Acrobat manually however.
>
>The same thing is happening to me here. The Reader tool does not work for =
me.
>
What version of Reader do you have and where is it located? Mine is =
"Acrobat Reader 5.0" and it is located in the Applications folder on my OS =
X disk.
>In addition, how do we turn off the "This operation cannot be undone. Do =
you wish to proceed?" message?
>
Go to BBEdit's Preferences, select "Text Editing" and uncheck the box for =
"Confirm Non-Undoable Editing Actions".
>Finally, I thought I read somewhere that BBEdit 6.5 allows us to turn =
syntax coloring back on for text within dollar signs (it was removed in =
version 6.0 and later). Can this be done and how do I it?
>
>--
> Gary L. Gray
> Associate Professor
> Engineering Science & Mechanics
> Penn State University
> (814) 863-1778
> http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:01:12 -0500
On 11/13/01 at 11:54 PM -0600, Tom Kiffe wrote:
> >The same thing is happening to me here. The Reader tool does not
>work for me.
>>
>
>What version of Reader do you have and where is it located? Mine is
>"Acrobat Reader 5.0" and it is located in the Applications folder on
>my OS X disk.
Same here. I am running Mac OS X 10.1.1.
> >In addition, how do we turn off the "This operation cannot be
>undone. Do you wish to proceed?" message?
>>
>Go to BBEdit's Preferences, select "Text Editing" and uncheck the
>box for "Confirm Non-Undoable Editing Actions".
Excellent. Thank you.
--
Gary
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "James Owen"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:13:31 +0900
On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 02:54 pm, Tom Kiffe wrote:
>> On 11/14/01 at 12:53 PM +0900, James Owen wrote:
>>
>>> The pdf generation worked fine, but the reader tool failed to run
>>> Acrobat Reader, even though it was open at the time. The pdf looks
>>> fine when viewed in Acrobat manually however.
>>
>> The same thing is happening to me here. The Reader tool does not work
>> for me.
>>
>
> What version of Reader do you have and where is it located? Mine is
> "Acrobat Reader 5.0" and it is located in the Applications folder on my
> OS X disk.
>
Ditto. and Reader is version 5.0 according to the Inspector.
I am using BBEdit Lite 6.1 (Carbon). Does this only work in BBEdit full
perhaps?
James
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:20:42 -0500
On 11/14/01 at 3:13 PM +0900, James Owen wrote:
>Ditto. and Reader is version 5.0 according to the Inspector.
>I am using BBEdit Lite 6.1 (Carbon). Does this only work in BBEdit
>full perhaps?
I am using BBEdit 6.5 (the non-lite version) and it is not working for me.
--
Gary
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:36:37 -0800
I must admit I haven't tried it yet. However, I wonder if this may serve
as a strong reminder to Richard Koch and gang that we'd really like to
see an option within TexShop to use an external editor (such as BBEdit).
I hope that becomes reality and we could use TexShop to "drive" the
LaTex engine and provide the preview.
Fredrik
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Adrian Heathcote"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:23:35 +1100
All
I know that this is bound to seem annoying to the UNIX-savvy but what
does it mean to have teTeX
> run from the Terminal application and not just from TeXShop.
And how does one configure teTeX so that this is so. Also, what are the
implications for then continuing to use Texshop---which is a great
program that I'd sorely miss.
Also one person wrote in saying that it would be great if TexShop worked
more closely with a proper editor. Surely it does. Just use whatever
editor you like, close the file, open it in TeXshop and process. What
more is being asked for?
Adrian Heathcote
p.s. Oh, and I feel compelled to add that anytime I've used BBedit I've
just regretted the absence of Alpha for OS X. Now there was an editor!
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:03:45 +1030
>All
>
>I know that this is bound to seem annoying to the UNIX-savvy but
>what does it mean to have teTeX
>
>> run from the Terminal application and not just from TeXShop.
>
>And how does one configure teTeX so that this is so. Also, what are
>the implications for then continuing to use Texshop---which is a
>great program that I'd sorely miss.
There are no implications for TeXShop as I understand it.
Once you have teTeX you could go into the terminal
and write your TeX files with pico, vi, emacs or whatever and tex them
from the command line by typing `latex file.tex' or something
similar. I assume the BBEdit plug-ins just automate this so BBEdit
is the editor. You would like to see the output so there is a Reader
plug-in to launch the file in Acrobat Reader. Having BBEdit launch
latex like this shouldn't interfere with TeXShop doing the same thing.
>
>Also one person wrote in saying that it would be great if TexShop
>worked more closely with a proper editor. Surely it does. Just use
>whatever editor you like, close the file, open it in TeXshop and
>process. What more is being asked for?
I think people find opening and closing the file all the time a drag. And =
there
is some catch I have forgotten -- I think TeXShop uses a temporary file
to work on -- so that you do have to close the file before you can be sure
TeXShop is using the one you have just modified. I assume what people
would like is to be able to tell TeXShop to send all the editing to =
BBEdit.
Not sure how you would get it to still have to LaTeX buttons etc.
>
>Adrian Heathcote
>
>p.s. Oh, and I feel compelled to add that anytime I've used BBedit
>I've just regretted the absence of Alpha for OS X. Now there was an
>editor!
>
The guys on the Alpha development team say it is coming but there is no
predicted time.
Michael
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:09:31 +1030
One advantage of this set up is that BBEdit supports Word Services
for its spell checking. That means you can use Excalibur to
spell check and take advantage of its latex parsing abilities.
Michael
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Bernard Knaepen"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:46:50 +0100
>
>
>>
>>Also one person wrote in saying that it would be great if TexShop
>>worked more closely with a proper editor. Surely it does. Just use
>>whatever editor you like, close the file, open it in TeXshop and
>>process. What more is being asked for?
>
>
What would be nice is to have in TexShop the possibility to typeset a
given file without actually opening the file. Then also a keyboard
shortcut to retypeset the same file if needed. That way one could
modify a tex file using any editor, save the file and then hit the
keyboard shortcut in TexShop to have it typeset and displayed.
Bernard.
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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] item for TeXShop wishlist
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:18:06 +1030
Is there an official TeXShop wishlist :-)
In case there is let me add something to it.
(1) Word Services support so spelling checking can be sent
off to Excalibur to be done.
Thanks - Michael
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Department of Pure Mathematics Fax: 61+ 8 8303 3696
University of Adelaide Phone: 61+ 8 8303 4174
Australia 5005 Email: mmurray@maths.adelaide.edu.au
Home Page: http://www.maths.adelaide.edu.au/pure/mmurray
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Gilbert Harman"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:54:30 -0500
I have switched from Alpha (back) to the latest version of Andrew Choi's
port of emacs to Max OS X, also using the AUCTEX package. See
for Choi's
port of emacs and for AUCTEX. I am
completely happy with this combination.
On 11/14/01 7:23 AM, "Adrian Heathcote"
wrote:
> Oh, and I feel compelled to add that anytime I've used BBedit I've
> just regretted the absence of Alpha for OS X. Now there was an editor!
--
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Department of Philosophy
Princeton University
Princeton, NJ 08544-1006 http://www.princeton.edu/~harman
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "John Burt"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:08:36 -0500 (EST)
I think Alpha 8, which is coming soon, will run in OS X.
John
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Gilbert Harman wrote:
> I have switched from Alpha (back) to the latest version of Andrew Choi's
> port of emacs to Max OS X, also using the AUCTEX package. See
> for Choi's
> port of emacs and for AUCTEX. I am
> completely happy with this combination.
>
> On 11/14/01 7:23 AM, "Adrian Heathcote"
> wrote:
>
> > Oh, and I feel compelled to add that anytime I've used BBedit I've
> > just regretted the absence of Alpha for OS X. Now there was an editor!
>
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:44:09 +1030
What happens if there is an error ? I tried putting
setenv TEXEDIT "/usr/bin/bbedit"
in my .cshrc file. When I get an error I hit `e return' but I don't
go to BBEdit. Before I did this setenv it would automatically
go to vi when I did 'e return'
Where is the editor set ? I found no mention of editors in
the teTeX doc's.
Michael
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Michael Murray"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:51:19 +1030
>I think Alpha 8, which is coming soon, will run in OS X.
>John
I thought AlphaX - the carbon version is seperate
to Alpha 8 ??
http://magnet.fsu.edu/~hall/docscripting/alpha/faq/index.html#alphax
Michael
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Subject: Using CMacTeX with TeXShop
From: "Maarten Sneep"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:26:21 +0100 (CET)
Hello,
Ive written a script that will allow you to use CMacTeX with TeXShop (sort =
off,
it needs some more work, but it is a start). If you use networked drives, =
this
script needs more work for you. (don't say I didn't warn you).
The script starts after the signature. A few lines are probably too long =
to fit
on a single line in this mail. See the comments.
Maarten Sneep
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
A prune isn't really a vegetable... Cabbage is a vegetable
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maarten Sneep
Atomic- and Laser Physics group
vrije Universiteit, amsterdam
The Netherlands
#!/bin/sh
# this is a simple script to use CMacTeX with TeXShop.
# save this script (with unix line breaks!) to a file (cmacpdflatex) and
# set the executable bits (chmod a+x cmacpdflatex)
# This script was written by Maarten Sneep (sneep@nat.vu.nl)
# do whatever you want with it, although I'm the irresponsible guy... ;-)
# variables
temporary_script_file=3D"/tmp/cmactex_temp_script.$$"
dir=3D`pwd`
file_name=3D"$1"
# create an AppleScript to call CMacTeX
echo "set unix_path to \"$DIR\"" > $temporary_script_file
echo "set tile_name to \"$file_name\"" >> $temporary_script_file
cat >> $temporary_script_file < /dev/null
# remove temp script file
rm $temporary_script_file
# last line of this script
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] item for TeXShop wishlist
From: "William Adams"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:53:00 -0500
mmurray said:
>(1) Word Services support so spelling checking can be sent
>off to Excalibur to be done.
TeXShop, as a Cocoa app already supports Mac OS X's native
spell-checking system.
The Word Services you describe are a Carbon legacy thing and should've
been up-dated by Apple to be an equal citizen (coeval?) with the extant
system services.
Isn't there a version of iSpell for Mac OS X which works through
Services yet?
I'd rather see TeXShop provide the Services which TeX did:
- (La)TeX <- this would appear in other apps and allow them to access
TeXShop to get the file being edited TeX'd. Having this would allow one
to use a (Carbon) editor which supports Word Services if it also
supported Mac OS X Services
- TeX eq -> eps <- this would work in say a drawing or layout app, type
the TeX source for an equation (say for a label), select it, activate
the service, and get back in its stead, the formatted equation. Guess
it'd be a ``epdf'' now.
Ages ago, I suggested Apple should make Contextual Menu Items equivalent
to / available as Services and vice versa....
William
(who did the Mac OS X icons for Excalibur....)
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Using CMacTeX with TeXShop
From: "Michel Bovani"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:03:47 +0100
Le 14/11/01 =E0 14:26 +0100 Maarten Sneep a =E9crit :
>(* translate the unix path to a mac path=2E If someone has a better idea,
> please let me know *)
set original_delimits to AppleScript's text item delimiters
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to "/"
set theList to text items of unix_path
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ":"
set mac_path to theList as text
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to original_delimits
--=20
Michel Bovani
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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Alpha for OS X?: was BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Alan Curtis"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:18:23 -0500
Subject changed from BBEdit to Alpha.
I too am awaiting an Alpha for OS X.
The link Michael sent also refers to running AlphaTk on X11 on OS X.
I also saw an announcement for a Native Aqua Tcl/Tk.
http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/News/2001-10-16.01.html
Has anyone any experience running AlphaTk and integrating it with teTeX?
Alan
>>I think Alpha 8, which is coming soon, will run in OS X.
>>John
>
>
>I thought AlphaX - the carbon version is seperate
>to Alpha 8 ??
>
>http://magnet.fsu.edu/~hall/docscripting/alpha/faq/index.html#alphax
>
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "V. Vatsal"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:35:04 -0800 (PST)
The TeX syntax coloring is is controlled by a plug in tht you can access
via the tools menu.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Gary L. Gray wrote:
> On 11/14/01 at 12:53 PM +0900, James Owen wrote:
>
> >The pdf generation worked fine, but the reader tool failed to run
> >Acrobat Reader, even though it was open at the time. The pdf looks
> >fine when viewed in Acrobat manually however.
>
> The same thing is happening to me here. The Reader tool does not work =
for me.
>
> In addition, how do we turn off the "This operation cannot be undone.
> Do you wish to proceed?" message?
>
> Finally, I thought I read somewhere that BBEdit 6.5 allows us to turn
> syntax coloring back on for text within dollar signs (it was removed
> in version 6.0 and later). Can this be done and how do I it?
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Alpha for OS X?: was BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Michael Goldweber"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:16:21 -0500
>Subject changed from BBEdit to Alpha.
>
>I too am awaiting an Alpha for OS X.
>
>The link Michael sent also refers to running AlphaTk on X11 on OS X.
>I also saw an announcement for a Native Aqua Tcl/Tk.
>
>http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/News/2001-10-16.01.html
>
>
>Has anyone any experience running AlphaTk and integrating it with teTeX?
>
>Alan
I have installed the above native Tcl/Tk implementation
(MacOSXTK8.4a4). (No installation necessary since it comes bundled
as an application to be dragged into the Applications folder. There
is also a folder that goes into the Library folder.)
I then downloaded Alphatk application. (I am not sure which version
I got since the ftp site listed a version 7.3, a version 8.0, and an
un-numbered version with a mod date (11/14) that was the most current
of the three. The 7.3 version had a mod date of 8/10 while the 8.0
version had a mod date of 7/2.) I selected the un-numbered version.
I got the AlphaTK splash screen which unfortunately was followed by
the application unexpectedly quiting.
Anyone have better luck?
mikeyg
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Richard Koch"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:30:55 -0800
Folks,
I should reply to Fredrik's note, below.
Thanks to Tom Kiffe for his work with BBEdit and an alternate method
of using TeX. Users should have many options on Mac OS X.
Allowing TeXShop to use external editors is high on my "to do" list. This
has been a frustrating fall term because I'm busy at the University.
Our term ends in two and a half more weeks and then I can return to
TeXShop and a long list of suggestions. Perhaps we can convince
Apple to release the next major upgrade to the system at the START of
the University break period rather than at the END.
Dick
koch@math.uoregon.edu
On Tuesday, November 13, 2001, at 10:36 PM, Fredrik Wallenberg wrote:
> I must admit I haven't tried it yet. However, I wonder if this may
> serve as a strong reminder to Richard Koch and gang that we'd really
> like to see an option within TexShop to use an external editor (such as
> BBEdit). I hope that becomes reality and we could use TexShop to
> "drive" the LaTex engine and provide the preview.
>
> Fredrik
>
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Subject: TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX)
From: "William Adams"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:43:08 -0500
Richard said:
>Allowing TeXShop to use external editors is high on my "to do" list.
What sort of architecture do you envision for this?
As I've said previously, using the extant Services facilities strikes me
as the easiest / most natural, but has the unfortunate consequence of
requiring that support in the External Editor---Do any of these (other
than TextEdit.app) support this yet?
How does everyone feel about having to access this two+ levels deep in a
menu (with no facility to tear-off menus...)? One can do hot-key
assignments, right?
(still waiting on my brother-in-law to send me a 10.1 upgrade CD.... :(
William
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Subject: Re: TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX)
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:37:05 -0500
At 11:43 AM -0500 11/14/01, William Adams wrote:
>As I've said previously, using the extant Services facilities strikes me
>as the easiest / most natural, but has the unfortunate consequence of
>requiring that support in the External Editor---Do any of these (other
>than TextEdit.app) support this yet?
As long as Apple sticks to the perplexing requirement of Cocoa-only
for Services, Alpha certainly won't.
I would think that Bare Bones' external editor suite would be an
appropriately democratic place to start:
I implemented the client end for Alpha in about 200 lines of
verbosely commented Tcl code.
--
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Subject: Re: TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX)
From: "Cyrill R=FCttimann"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:42:58 +0100
On Mittwoch, November 14, 2001, at 05:43 Uhr, William Adams wrote:
> Richard said:
>> Allowing TeXShop to use external editors is high on my "to do" list.
>
> What sort of architecture do you envision for this?
>
As a textures user, I am happy with the provided menu. Plus, I can
customize that menu. For me it is a huge improvement, if there is a
customizable menu in TeXShop where I can pick code-fragments.
Probably this menu is built up from a XML-File which you can edit easily.
Regards,
Cyrill
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Subject: Re: TeXShop External Editors
From: "Mark Smith"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:18:43 +0100
On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 06:37 , Jon Guyer wrote:
> At 11:43 AM -0500 11/14/01, William Adams wrote:
>
>> As I've said previously, using the extant Services facilities strikes
>> me
>> as the easiest / most natural, but has the unfortunate consequence of
>> requiring that support in the External Editor---Do any of these (other
>> than TextEdit.app) support this yet?
>
> As long as Apple sticks to the perplexing requirement of Cocoa-only for
> Services, Alpha certainly won't.
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I understand that services have been
available in Carbon since 10.1. Now whether anybody has implemented them
or not is another question. They (services) are rather high up on
Apple's feature tree for OS X "citizenship" (along with drawers and such
like) so its not so surprising that Carbon developers have other things
to worry about for the time being.
mark.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
From: "William Adams"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:34:13 -0500
The Finder is still a Carbon app, right?
It supports Services, no? Since v10.1 at least.... (That's what's used
to have Grab.app provide screengrabs for 3/4, no?)
As I understand it, it's ``just'' a matter of the Carbon app being
re-written to support them (though if Apple plugged that support in at
the system level where Contextual Menu Items go it'd be a moot point :(
William
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Subject: Re: TeXShop External Editors (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX)
From: "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:40:17 -0800
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 09:42 AM, Cyrill R=3DFCttimann wrote:
> As a textures user, I am happy with the provided menu. Plus, I can=3D20
> customize that menu. For me it is a huge improvement, if there is a=3D20
> customizable menu in TeXShop where I can pick code-fragments.
>
Well, there is... you can add code fragments to the "templates" menu =
in=3D20=3D
the editor window itself. Just put your codefragment in:
~/Library/TeXShop/Templates/
Fredrik
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 09:42 AM, Cyrill R=3DFCttimann wrote:
As a textures user, I am happy with the provided menu.
Plus, I can customize that menu. For me it is a huge improvement, if
there is a customizable menu in TeXShop where I can pick
code-fragments.
Well, there is... you can add code fragments to the "templates" menu
in the editor window itself. Just put your codefragment in:
~/Library/TeXShop/Templates/
Fredrik=3D
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] BBEdit plug-ins for teTeX
From: "Hemant Bhargava"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:42:43 -0500
Just in case Richard and others feel underappreciated for their
services, I'd like to say "thank you" for all you do to support TeX/Mac.
This also goes to Gerben and Gary Gray and all the others who build or
maintain software or maintain information portals, etc., and put in time
into this despite all of your other significant commitments.
Thanks!
- Hemant
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Professor, Management Science and Information Systems
http://www.smeal.psu.edu/~bhargava/General/contact.html
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 11:30 AM, Richard Koch wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I should reply to Fredrik's note, below.
>
> Thanks to Tom Kiffe for his work with BBEdit and an alternate method
> of using TeX. Users should have many options on Mac OS X.
>
> Allowing TeXShop to use external editors is high on my "to do" list.
> This
> has been a frustrating fall term because I'm busy at the University.
> Our term ends in two and a half more weeks and then I can return to
> TeXShop and a long list of suggestions. Perhaps we can convince
> Apple to release the next major upgrade to the system at the START of
> the University break period rather than at the END.
>
> Dick
> koch@math.uoregon.edu
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2001, at 10:36 PM, Fredrik Wallenberg wrote:
>
>> I must admit I haven't tried it yet. However, I wonder if this may
>> serve as a strong reminder to Richard Koch and gang that we'd really
>> like to see an option within TexShop to use an external editor (such
>> as BBEdit). I hope that becomes reality and we could use TexShop to
>> "drive" the LaTex engine and provide the preview.
>>
>> Fredrik
>>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:04:12 -0500
At 1:34 PM -0500 11/14/01, William Adams wrote:
>The Finder is still a Carbon app, right?
The Finder is a badly written app. I'm not sure that means it's Carbon.
>It supports Services, no? Since v10.1 at least.... (That's what's used
>to have Grab.app provide screengrabs for 3/4, no?)
At least in 5G48 (I /really/ need to find time to update to 10.1
final), the Services items for things like Grab, Mail, etc. are all
dimmed in the Finder, so no, I don't think Services are at work here
(unless through some nasty hack).
>As I understand it, it's ``just'' a matter of the Carbon app being
>re-written to support them (though if Apple plugged that support in at
>the system level where Contextual Menu Items go it'd be a moot point :(
I'd certainly happy to learn otherwise, but all indications I've
gotten are that Carbon doesn't get Services. We're certainly having
to rewrite enough other code to support X (and just to make things
work better) that I don't have a problem making changes to Alpha for
Services, but I don't plan to waste any time at it until I see some
definitive indications that Apple supports it.
--
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Subject: makefiles feature request (Re: TeXShop External Editors)
From: "Martin Bauer"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:07:29 +0100
Am Mittwoch den, 14. November 2001, um 18:42, schrieb Cyrill R=FCttimann:
> For me it is a huge improvement, if there is a customizable menu in=20
> TeXShop where I can pick code-fragments.
>
> Probably this menu is built up from a XML-File which you can edit=20
> easily.
another related suggestion i would like to add:
(but first of all, also from my side to the TeXShop developers: thanks=20=
for writing this software :-))
currently, i use on most unix platforms makefiles to organize the TeXing=20=
of documents. this provides a great flexibility since basically=20
everything that is possible in the shell can be used in a make target.
basically, i use targets like
make latex
or
make bibtex
for the basic commands that are already available in the (left) pop-up=20=
menu in TeXshop, but also more complex ones that accomplish tasks like=20=
uploading the file to a website, updating a cvs repository or even=20
converting eps and pdf files as required for the current target.
things like a master-document are also easily stored in such makefiles=20=
as variables.
now: it would be really cool if TeXShop would recognize that there=20
exists a Makefile in the folder of the current TeX file and uses the=20
targets specified in that Makefile for the (left) popup-menu - all that=20=
needs to be done when the user presses the button is calling make with=20=
the appropriate target.
one could also have some kind of a default makefile that gets used if=20
there is no specific makefile found..
this would eliminate all problems that occur when for some documents one=20=
needs to choose the latex-dvi-ps option and for others the pdftex.
and it would allow great flexibility for advanced users together with=20
the current simplicity of TeXShop.
please beat me if you think this is a bad idea.. :)
additional suggestions for the two other pop-up menus:
- would be cool if the "markers" menu would recognize \section and=20
\subsection and .. commands as markers to automatically jump to sections=20=
without the need to update markers (which is something i always forget)
- would be cool if the templates menu could support not only simple=20
paste operations but also these "paste and put the current selection to=20=
'there' and after this set the cursor to 'there'" (like the customizable=20=
menu in textures does)
and, of course, if one could use keyboard shortcuts additionally; then i=20=
dont need textures anymore :)
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
From: "Chris Goedde"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:52:48 -0600 (CST)
Jon Guyer wrote,
> The Finder is a badly written app. I'm not sure that means it's Carbon.
As I recall, upon the introduction of OS X Apple made a big deal
about the Finder being a Carbon app, to advertise the use of Carbon.
> I'd certainly happy to learn otherwise, but all indications I've
> gotten are that Carbon doesn't get Services. We're certainly having
> to rewrite enough other code to support X (and just to make things
> work better) that I don't have a problem making changes to Alpha for
> Services, but I don't plan to waste any time at it until I see some
> definitive indications that Apple supports it.
Take a look at "Setting Up Your Carbon Application to Use the Services
Menu" at
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Carbon/HumanInterfaceToolbox/Men=
uManager/appser
vices/index.html
--
Chris Goedde
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] makefiles feature request (Re: TeXShop External Editors)
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:09:12 +0100
> currently, i use on most unix platforms makefiles to organize the
> TeXing of documents. this provides a great flexibility since basically
> everything that is possible in the shell can be used in a make target.
>
> basically, i use targets like
> make latex
> or
> make bibtex
> for the basic commands that are already available in the (left) pop-up
> menu in TeXshop, but also more complex ones that accomplish tasks like
> uploading the file to a website, updating a cvs repository or even
> converting eps and pdf files as required for the current target.
> things like a master-document are also easily stored in such makefiles
> as variables.
I have been talking with Richard about a more abstract command (and
maybe edit) interface for TeXShop. On my request, quite a while back,
Richard added the 'custom script' possibility to TeXShop as a fix for
doing sort of what you want. But you would need to write a script that
takes the argument and figures out what make command to give, so this
might not be a solution.
Given Richard's and my schedule, it will take a while before major
changes will take effect. I hope to be able to propose a few quick
patches to Richard before the whole thing is changed.
G
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: TeXShop External Editors
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:29:09 -0500
At 2:52 PM -0600 11/14/01, Chris Goedde wrote:
>Take a look at "Setting Up Your Carbon Application to Use the Services
>Menu" at
Very good. Thanks for the pointer.
--
Jonathan E. Guyer
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Using CMacTeX with TeXShop
From: "Troy Goodson"
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:39:59 -0800
At 3:03 PM +0100 11/14/01, Michel Bovani wrote:
>Le 14/11/01 =E0 14:26 +0100 Maarten Sneep a =E9crit :
>
>>(* translate the unix path to a mac path. If someone has a better idea,
>> please let me know *)
>
>
> set original_delimits to AppleScript's text item delimiters
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to "/"
> set theList to text items of unix_path
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ":"
> set mac_path to theList as text
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to original_delimits
The algorithm given above will transform "hello:goodbye/folder" into
"hello:goodbye:folder" which isn't what you want. You simply need to
find all "/"'s then find all ":"'s, then replace ":" with "/" and
vice versa.
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