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MacOSX-TeX Digest #142 - Friday, November 2, 2001

  pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "V. Vatsal" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop feature request: regexp in Find/Replace
          by "Gerben Wierda" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "Ross Moore" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "Michael Murray" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "Georges Vael" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] texshop magnification button problem
          by "Georges Vael" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop feature request: regexp in Find/Replace
          by "Martin Stokhof" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "Michel Bovani" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "Martin Costabel" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "V. Vatsal" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] small dots disappear in Quartz
          by "Troy Goodson" 
  Officina font
          by "Cyrill R=FCttimann" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Officina font
          by "William Adams" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
          by "Gerben Wierda" 
  TeXShop suggestion: window menu dividers
          by "Troy Goodson" 
  Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Officina font
          by "V. Vatsal" 


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Subject: pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "V. Vatsal" 
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:04:54 -0800

Hi,

I created a pdf file using tex+gs6+ps2pdf, which causes the OS to crash. 
Attempting to open the pdf in either TeXShop or Preview causes an =
immediate 
logout, and the machine hangs when i try to log back in. The only way to 
get back in that I can find is to restart the machine after the logout 
happens.

On the other hand, opening the file in Acrobat seems to cause no problems.

I had the strange experience of trying to attach the file to an email 
message causing the same kind of crash as well.


Is this one of the Quartz bugs that has been making the rounds on this 
list? To whom at Apple is one supposed to report this kind of thing? The 
file can be found at http://www.math.ubc.ca/~vatsal/files/test.pdf

-- Nike V.


-------
V. Vatsal
Department of Mathematics
University of British Columbia
Vancouver V6T 1Z2
Canada

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop feature request: regexp in Find/Replace
From: "Gerben Wierda" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:47:44 +0100

On Friday, November 2, 2001, at 01:30 , Troy Goodson wrote:

> I really like the capability for Find/Replace with regular expressions 
> in OmniWeb 4.1sp5

OmniWeb 4.1sp5??? Is there something beyond 4.05?

G


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "Ross Moore" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:08:51 +1100 (EST)

> Hi,
> 
> I created a pdf file using tex+gs6+ps2pdf, which causes the OS to crash. =

> Attempting to open the pdf in either TeXShop or Preview causes an =
immediate 
> logout, and the machine hangs when i try to log back in. The only way to =

> get back in that I can find is to restart the machine after the logout 
> happens.
>
> On the other hand, opening the file in Acrobat seems to cause no =
problems.

Have you tried printing from Acrobat 5 ?

I did this with your file, and all the fonts are substituted with Courier.
On-screen looks just fine.

Substitution occurs with with printing from both Acrobat 5 and Acrobat =
Reader,
under MacOS 9.x.


This looks like an example of the font problem that was created by Adobe
when they made some "standardisations" for all of their products.
It affects TeX-related methods very seriously.

I recommend that you install the latest Ghostscript that you can find;
at least gs 7.0  if you are going to go the  dvi --> ps --> pdf  route.

Alternatively use pdf-TeX; but install the very latest TeXshop,
or otherwise install  pdftex 1.00a .
All earlier versions embedd subsetted fonts in a way that will not print
properly from Acrobat 5.

Of course, this doesn't explain the crashes on MacOS X ...

> I had the strange experience of trying to attach the file to an email 
> message causing the same kind of crash as well.
> 
> 
> Is this one of the Quartz bugs that has been making the rounds on this 
> list? To whom at Apple is one supposed to report this kind of thing? The =

> file can be found at http://www.math.ubc.ca/~vatsal/files/test.pdf

 ... but if your PDF files are faultless for Acrobat, then they *may*
also be correctly handled by Quartz.
If not, then you can be sure the faults lie entirely with Apple,
and not partly with Adobe and/or the TeX community as well.
 


Hope this helps,

	Ross Moore


> 
> -- Nike V.
> 
> 
> -------
> V. Vatsal
> Department of Mathematics
> University of British Columbia
> Vancouver V6T 1Z2
> Canada
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "Michael Murray" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:22:31 +1030

>Hi,
>
>I created a pdf file using tex+gs6+ps2pdf, which causes the OS to 
>crash. Attempting to open the pdf in either TeXShop or Preview 
>causes an immediate logout, and the machine hangs when i try to log 
>back in. The only way to get back in that I can find is to restart 
>the machine after the logout happens.
>
>On the other hand, opening the file in Acrobat seems to cause no =
problems.
>
>I had the strange experience of trying to attach the file to an 
>email message causing the same kind of crash as well.
>
>
>Is this one of the Quartz bugs that has been making the rounds on 
>this list? To whom at Apple is one supposed to report this kind of 
>thing? The file can be found at 
>http://www.math.ubc.ca/~vatsal/files/test.pdf
>
>-- Nike V.
>
>
>-------
>V. Vatsal
>Department of Mathematics
>University of British Columbia
>Vancouver V6T 1Z2
>Canada
>

Yep thats good isn't it.  OK on Acrobat. When I drag and drop onto Preview =
or
TeXShop they quit.  But no logout (yet!).  Then I open Console to see what =
is
happening.  Then I get a logout.  It hangs or at least takes longer than
I was prepared to wait, on login so I did a restart. It goes into 9,
checks the hard disk then I can reboot into 10.1. This time login is
quick.

There was something in the Console log but I lost it when I crashed. 
I think this is
it from var/log/system.log

Nov  2 13:20:10 MacMurray 
/Applications/TeXShop.app/Contents/MacOS/TeXShop: kCGErrorFailure : 
Unable to use font: no glyphs present.
Nov  2 13:20:11 MacMurray 
/Applications/TeXShop.app/Contents/MacOS/TeXShop: kCGErrorFailure : 
OFARegisterStrike failed: error 268435459.
Nov  2 12:20:11 MacMurray /usr/libexec/CrashReporter: Failed writing 
crash report: /private/var/tmp/TeXShop.crash.log
Nov  2 12:20:35 MacMurray /usr/libexec/CrashReporter: Failed writing 
crash report: /private/var/tmp/ATSServer.crash.log
Nov  2 13:20:35 MacMurray 
/Applications/Preview.app/Contents/MacOS/Preview: kCGErrorFailure : 
Unable to use font: no glyphs present.
Nov  2 12:20:35 MacMurray /usr/libexec/CrashReporter: Failed writing 
crash report: /private/var/tmp/Preview.crash.log
Nov  2 12:21:31 MacMurray /usr/libexec/CrashReporter: Failed writing 
crash report: /private/var/tmp/ATSServer.crash.log
Nov  2 13:21:31 MacMurray 
/Applications/TeXShop.app/Contents/MacOS/TeXShop: kCGErrorFailure : 
Unable to use font: no glyphs present.
Nov  2 12:21:32 MacMurray /usr/libexec/CrashReporter: Failed writing 
crash report: /private/var/tmp/TeXShop.crash.log





Michael


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "Georges Vael" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:45:00 +0100

This is the behaviour I experienced when viewing pdf's created along the 
Matlab eps --> epstopdf route, in TeXShop or Preview.

I did not detail the crash-behaviour in my 31-10-2001 e-mail to this 
list, but it is almost exactly the same as what you describe:
- Preview and TeXShop crash when arriving at a page where a suspect pdf 
has been put
- There is always a subsequent system crash, which is not always 
immediate however, sometimes it is delayed untill I try to start another 
application, much in the way Michael described in repons to your e-mail
- Login after this crash hangs, a hard restart from there is necessary.

So, indeed, probably yet another appearance of this Quartz bug. I wonder 
though, why Acrobat displays the suspect pdf's without problems and why 
TeXShop and Preview do not stumble over Matlab eps --> Distiller 
produced pdf's. What is the difference between these pdf's?

Georges Vael
Innas BV
Nikkelstraat 15
4823 AE  Breda
The Netherlands
+31.76.5424080
gvael@innas.com

On vrijdag, november 2, 2001, at 03:04 , V. Vatsal wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I created a pdf file using tex+gs6+ps2pdf, which causes the OS to 
> crash. Attempting to open the pdf in either TeXShop or Preview causes 
> an immediate logout, and the machine hangs when i try to log back in. 
> The only way to get back in that I can find is to restart the machine 
> after the logout happens.
>
> On the other hand, opening the file in Acrobat seems to cause no 
> problems.
>
> I had the strange experience of trying to attach the file to an email 
> message causing the same kind of crash as well.
>
>
> Is this one of the Quartz bugs that has been making the rounds on this 
> list? To whom at Apple is one supposed to report this kind of thing? 
> The file can be found at http://www.math.ubc.ca/~vatsal/files/test.pdf
>
> -- Nike V.
>
>
> -------
> V. Vatsal
> Department of Mathematics
> University of British Columbia
> Vancouver V6T 1Z2
> Canada
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] texshop magnification button problem
From: "Georges Vael" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:08:05 +0100

No solution, only an observation:

Using TeXShop 1.12, I tried your recipe and did not get any freezes.

Which OSX are you using? I know I have had these freezes. If I remember 
correctly,  but I am not totally sure, they started when I switched to 
1.12 and they disappeared when I went from OSX 10.0.4 to 10.1.

Switching to 10.1 was good for reasons of speed etc. but it brought me 
the Quartz pdf bug treated in another thread on this list.

Hope this helps,

Georges Vael
Innas BV
Nikkelstraat 15
4823 AE  Breda
The Netherlands
+31.76.5424080
gvael@innas.com




On donderdag, november 1, 2001, at 11:24 , Joachim Kock wrote:

> In the readme of TeXShop 1.13 it says that this bug
> was fixed: when you change the preview magnification
> a second time the display freezes.
>
> I still experience this bug in 1.13...
>
> Anybody else sees this? or have I somehow corrupted
> my copy of TeXShop?
>
> (Precise description: preview a document, change the
> preview magnification (eg. from 200 to 400), switch
> the focus to some other field (eg. the page number field);
> switch the focus back to the magnification field and
> try to change back from 400 to 200.  The display freezes:
> you can't scroll or change page (and the magnification
> did not change back).  If you close the window and run
> tex another time, the next preview window is blank...
> If you quit TeXShop and restart it, it works fine again.)
>
> Cheers,
> Joachim.



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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop feature request: regexp in Find/Replace
From: "Martin Stokhof" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:17:07 +0100

At 1:47 +0100 on 02/11/01, Gerben Wierda wrote:

>On Friday, November 2, 2001, at 01:30 , Troy Goodson wrote:
>
>>I really like the capability for Find/Replace with regular 
>>expressions in OmniWeb 4.1sp5
>
>OmniWeb 4.1sp5??? Is there something beyond 4.05?
>
>G
Omniweb's beta's are called "sneaky peaks". See:
http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/outgoing/sneakypeek/

Martin Stokhof

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "Michel Bovani" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:23:03 +0100

Le 1/11/01 =E0 18:04 -0800 V=2E Vatsal wrote :
>Hi,
>
>I created a pdf file using tex+gs6+ps2pdf, which causes the OS to=20
>crash=2E Attempting to open the pdf in either TeXShop or Preview=20
>causes an immediate logout, and the machine hangs when i try to log=20
>back in=2E The only way to get back in that I can find is to restart=20
>the machine after the logout happens=2E
>
>On the other hand, opening the file in Acrobat seems to cause no problems=
=2E
>
>I had the strange experience of trying to attach the file to an=20
>email message causing the same kind of crash as well=2E
>
>
>Is this one of the Quartz bugs that has been making the rounds on=20
>this list? To whom at Apple is one supposed to report this kind of=20
>thing? The file can be found at=20
>http://www=2Emath=2Eubc=2Eca/~vatsal/files/test=2Epdf

I download the file and my OSX crashes (thanks! :-)

I try to rebuild the file with my CMacTeX installation (it is not=20
standard because I use a TeXlive6 tree):

Source file:
\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
     test $\Sigma_{n}(f)$
     \end{document}

with pdflatex: the pdf file display very well in acroread5 and in preview=2E
    fonts that appears in font info (acroread) are
-URWPalladioL-Roma
-Pazomath
-URWPalladioL-Ital
-CMR10

with tex+dvips+ps2pdf (gs7=2E0) and a special config wich substitute=20
URW palladio at dvips step (like in texshop, I think): the pdffile=20
display very well in acroread5 but *not* in preview (the word "test"=20
and the last parenright did not appear)=2E MacOSX doen not crash=2E
fonts are :
-URWPalladioL-Roma
-Pazomath
-URWPalladioL-Ital
-CMR10
-URWPalladioL-Ital~15

In your test file I find
-URWPalladioL-Roma
-Pazomath
-URWPalladioL-Ital
-CMR10
-URWPalladioL-Ital~14

Seems to be a gs-font problem (of course if OSX crashes, it is a bug=20
in Quartz, anyway)=2E


--=20
Michel Bovani

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "Martin Costabel" 
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:29:44 +0100

Ross Moore wrote:
[]
> I recommend that you install the latest Ghostscript that you can find;
> at least gs 7.0  if you are going to go the  dvi --> ps --> pdf  route.

I had problems with ps2pdf and ghostscript 7.0 (some symbols like "ff"
or "-" had wrong spacing) that disappeared after going back to gs 6.01.

-- 
Martin

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "V. Vatsal" 
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:41:45 -0800

Folks,

I recreated the problem PDF file using each of the following three =
methods:

i) gs 7 on a Unix box
ii) Distiller in Classic
iii) macps2pdf on OS X, which I downloaded specially for this purpose: 
thanks to Tom Kiffe.

In each case, the PDF file could be opened and printed with TeXShop.

I am inclined to think therefore the problem resides in the version of 
ghostscript 6 that is included in the teTeX which comes with TeXShop. I 
understand that there are other problems with gs 7 and quartz, but gs 6's 
ability to generate PDF which causes automatic logout and a system crash 
seems rather serious to me.

I have put the ps source at http://www.math.ubc.ca/~vatsal/files/test.ps =
in 
case anynody wants to test this.


-- Nike V.



--On Friday, November 2, 2001 4:29 PM +0100 Martin Costabel 
 wrote:

> Ross Moore wrote:
> []
>> I recommend that you install the latest Ghostscript that you can find;
>> at least gs 7.0  if you are going to go the  dvi --> ps --> pdf  route.
>
> I had problems with ps2pdf and ghostscript 7.0 (some symbols like "ff"
> or "-" had wrong spacing) that disappeared after going back to gs 6.01.
>
> --
> Martin
>
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Department of Mathematics
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z2

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] small dots disappear in Quartz
From: "Troy Goodson" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:02:56 -0800

At 12:39 PM -0700 11/1/01, Dave McCollum wrote:
>  - A very likely cause (in my mind, at least), is the use of the Symbol
>    font for these graphics elements (the plot symbols in Matlab EPS
>    files). It may be that the display/viewer differences could be due
>    to whether or not the Symbol font is embedded into the PDF file. If
>    not, then the font used to display the graphic elements may be =
different
>    for different apps, compounding any issues associated with rendering
>    engines and anti-aliasing.

Assuming the problem does hinge on whether symbol font is being used 
for plot-marker, then how do I check whether symbol font is being 
used?

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Subject: Officina font
From: "Cyrill R=FCttimann" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:11:57 +0100

Hi,

At work, we have the itc officina sans font in PS 1 format:

OfficSanBol
OfficSanBollta
OfficSanBoo
OfficSanBoolta

and the TrueType format

ITC Officina Sans

I included the font in TeX, but not all characters are displayed right:  
hell ire insted of hellfire

How can I setup the font to work in TeX right?


Regards,

Cyrill


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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Officina font
From: "William Adams" 
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 13:32:22 -0500

Do you mean ``hell  re''? (with the ``fi'' ligature missing?)

How'd you install the font?

Did you build a virtual font using FontInst or some other tool?

What (re)encoding did you set in the pdftex fontmap file?

William

--
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ATLIS Graphics & Design / 717-731-6707 voice / 717-731-6708 fax
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] pdf causes 10.1 to crash
From: "Gerben Wierda" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:51:23 +0100

On Friday, November 2, 2001, at 05:41 , V. Vatsal wrote:

> I am inclined to think therefore the problem resides in the version of 
> ghostscript 6 that is included in the teTeX which comes with TeXShop. I 
> understand that there are other problems with gs 7 and quartz, but gs 
> 6's ability to generate PDF which causes automatic logout and a system 
> crash seems rather serious to me.

Yes, this is a difficult item. In my package I still use gs 6.01. It is 
not a common problem that the PDF that is produced crashes the system, 
it happens only sometimes.

One should not forget that using tex-dvips-gs is an alternative and not 
the main route. The main route remains using pdftex. That is a lame 
excuse, I know, but the problem is Apple's. And both alternatives are 
bad.

G


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Subject: TeXShop suggestion: window menu dividers
From: "Troy Goodson" 
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:47:13 -0800

I'm finding that when I have a few different .tex files open for 
editing in TeXShop, it's hard to see what's what at-a-glance in the 
Window menu.  I think TeXShop guarantees that file.tex will produce 
file.pdf and file.log, so let's group these together in a logical 
ordering and separate the groupings with some sort of dividing line 
in the Window menu.

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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Officina font
From: "V. Vatsal" 
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:51:31 -0800

I had similar problems with Adobe Garamond and its expert friends.

The virtual fonts were set up with fontinst.

TeXShop doesn't display or print the numeral 1 at the bottom of the page.=20
Acrobat does both things fine.

I wonder if it's an encoding problem -- looking at the font info in Acrobat =

shows that Garamond Regular is cusom encoded, while the Expert one shows=20
the encoding as "built in."

But since Acrobat handles the file fine, I wonder if it might not be a=20
question of Quartz not being happy with certain encodings? Display problems =

with ligatures would go along with this hypothesis.

-- Nike V.

gs 6 chokes and dies on the ps output,
--On Friday, November 2, 2001 8:11 PM +0100 Cyrill R=FCttimann=20
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> At work, we have the itc officina sans font in PS 1 format:
>
> OfficSanBol
> OfficSanBollta
> OfficSanBoo
> OfficSanBoolta
>
> and the TrueType format
>
> ITC Officina Sans
>
> I included the font in TeX, but not all characters are displayed right:
> hell ire insted of hellfire
>
> How can I setup the font to work in TeX right?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Cyrill
>
>
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University of British Columbia
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