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MacOSX-TeX Digest #125 - Monday, October 15, 2001
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
by "Nick Warner"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
by "Gerben Wierda"
bibtool
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
by "Nick Warner"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
by "Gerben Wierda"
TeXShop + external editor/invocation
by "V. Vatsal"
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
From: "Nick Warner"
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:16:46 -0700
Dear Gerben
Thanks for the response, but I thought that teTex
from
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/texshop.html
was using pdftex and not altpdftex. Are you telling me
that it is altpdftex in disguise?
If so then how do I get pdftex and run it with TeXShop,
or do I have to use something like CMacTex?
Thanks
Nick Warner
On Sunday, October 14, 2001, at 06:39 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> On Sunday, October 14, 2001, at 11:22 , Nick Warner wrote:
>
>> \nopagenumbers
>> \hoffset -2cm
>> \voffset -2cm
>> \vsize =3D 5cm
>> \hsize =3D 8cm
>> \magnification=3D4000
>> $$\sum_{N=3D1}^\infty {1 \over N^2 +1 } $$
>> \bye
>
> The problem is in TeX web2c version 7.3.1. When you run pdftex, you are
> running a newer version that does not have this problem.
>
> Apart from updating my entire TeX setup to TeX live (from teTeX) I see
> no quick way to fix this, but I'm looking into it.
>
> Gerben
>
> PS. TeXShop has nothing to do with it. TeXShop handles .tex source
> (editing it) and PDF-output (displaying it). The whole rigamarole in
> between is out of its hands and is done in the background by a fairly
> standard unix teX-distribution.
>
> PS. Please us a subject line when you post.
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:24:21 +0200
I though we had taken this off list.
For the curious, the reason my pdftex gave different results from normal
tex was in the pdftex.cfg file. The next dmg will have an updated cfg
file.
Normally, people will not encounter any problems, as
>>> \nopagenumbers
>>> \hoffset -2cm
>>> \voffset -2cm
>>> \vsize =3D 5cm
>>> \hsize =3D 8cm
>>> \magnification=3D4000
>>> $$\sum_{N=3D1}^\infty {1 \over N^2 +1 } $$
>>> \bye
>>
is a bit weird (see the \magnification definition in page 364 of the TeX
book) as \maginification resets hsize and vsize and in the case above
will scale hoffset and voffset (as Thomas pointed out to me).
So, I suspect that some weird pdf is the result, where you have
boundaries and locations disagreeing all over the place.
\nopagenumbers
\magnification=3D4000
$$\sum_{N=3D1}^\infty {1 \over N^2 +1 } $$
\bye
works fine here.
Gerben
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Subject: bibtool
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:25:29 +0200
Can someone who has succesfully compiled bibtool on Mac OS X contact me?
I am running into configure problems and the fastest way out is asking
someone who already has solved this ;-)
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
From: "Nick Warner"
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:40:37 -0700
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Dear Gerben
I am afraid that your fix does not seem to work, at least for me:
I have removed all variants of the offending text
\hoffset -2cm
\voffset -2cm
\vsize =3D 5cm
\hsize =3D 8cm
and it still does not print correctly, indeed I find almost
no change: a little bit more of the sum prints without
the offending text, but I suspect that this is because
that without offsets the symbol moves to a different part of the
page. As I remarked earlier: the amount of the printout
missing does depend upon the location of the symbol
on the page. You may have hit a lucky "sweet spot"
How are you printing? Acrobat 5? That works fine, it
is the other previewers that screw up the TeX printing.
Before I posted anything to this mail list I checked the TeX
printout using CMacTeX and using Textures: it worked
perfectly. So I am afraid it is a little more than poor TeXmanship
on my part. I only wish it were.
The problem must lie in the print handling in OS X. I have
since take robust output from CMacTex that prints fine
in classic mode and converted to pdf, and from acrobat 5 it prints
fine, BUT from the OS X previewer is prints with stuff missing.
Dick Koch believes that the problem resides in an unresolved
issue in Apple class NSPDFImageRep.
The irritant is that native programs like Create seem to
inherit the problem when using pdf
export, and then if one imports into ( otherwise robust) Acrobat 5
then this can print badly too, though no as badly as the
previewer that comes in OS X.
Nick
On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 05:24 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> I though we had taken this off list.
>
> For the curious, the reason my pdftex gave different results from
> normal tex was in the pdftex.cfg file. The next dmg will have an
> updated cfg file.
>
> Normally, people will not encounter any problems, as
>
>>>> \nopagenumbers
>>>> \hoffset -2cm
>>>> \voffset -2cm
>>>> \vsize =3D 5cm
>>>> \hsize =3D 8cm
>>>> \magnification=3D4000
>>>> $$\sum_{N=3D1}^\infty {1 \over N^2 +1 } $$
>>>> \bye
>>>
>
> is a bit weird (see the \magnification definition in page 364 of the
> TeX book) as \maginification resets hsize and vsize and in the case
> above will scale hoffset and voffset (as Thomas pointed out to me).
>
> So, I suspect that some weird pdf is the result, where you have
> boundaries and locations disagreeing all over the place.
>
> \nopagenumbers
> \magnification=3D4000
> $$\sum_{N=3D1}^\infty {1 \over N^2 +1 } $$
> \bye
>
> works fine here.
>
> Gerben
>
>
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Dear Gerben
I am afraid that your fix does not seem to work, at least for me:
I have removed all variants of the offending text
0000,6363,1212\hoffset -2cm
\voffset -2cm
\vsize =3D 5cm
\hsize =3D 8cm
and it still does not print correctly, indeed I find almost
no change: a little bit more of the sum prints without
the offending text, but I suspect that this is because
that without offsets the symbol moves to a different part of the
page. As I remarked earlier: the amount of the printout
missing does depend upon the location of the symbol
on the page. You may have hit a lucky "sweet spot"
How are you printing? Acrobat 5? That works fine, it
is the other previewers that screw up the TeX printing.
Before I posted anything to this mail list I checked the TeX
printout using CMacTeX and using Textures: it worked
perfectly. So I am afraid it is a little more than poor TeXmanship
on my part. I only wish it were.
The problem must lie in the print handling in OS X. I have
since take robust output from CMacTex that prints fine
in classic mode and converted to pdf, and from acrobat 5 it prints
fine, BUT from the OS X previewer is prints with stuff missing.
Dick Koch believes that the problem resides in an unresolved
issue in Apple class NSPDFImageRep.
The irritant is that native programs like Create seem to
inherit the problem when using pdf
export, and then if one imports into ( otherwise robust) Acrobat 5
then this can print badly too, though no as badly as the
previewer that comes in OS X.
Nick
On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 05:24 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
I though we had taken this off list.
For the curious, the reason my pdftex gave different results from
normal tex was in the pdftex.cfg file. The next dmg will have an
updated cfg file.
Normally, people will not encounter any problems, as
\nopagenumbers
\hoffset -2cm
\voffset -2cm
\vsize =3D 5cm
\hsize =3D 8cm
\magnification=3D4000
$$\sum_{N=3D1}^\infty {1 \over N^2 +1 } $$
\bye
is a bit weird (see the \magnification definition in page 364 of the
TeX book) as \maginification resets hsize and vsize and in the case
above will scale hoffset and voffset (as Thomas pointed out to me).
So, I suspect that some weird pdf is the result, where you have
boundaries and locations disagreeing all over the place.
\nopagenumbers
\magnification=3D4000
$$\sum_{N=3D1}^\infty {1 \over N^2 +1 } $$
\bye
works fine here.
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] \magnification error problem
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:19:34 +0200
On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 06:40 , Nick Warner wrote:
> How are you printing? Acrobat 5? That works fine, it
> is the other previewers that screw up the TeX printing.
>
My mistake, I thought displaying was also showing the problem. I got he
formula partly off page and thought that was the problem.
I currently cannot print at all from my Mac OS X 10.1 system as Apple
'broke' lpr printing to my OPENSTEP printer. To print, I have to print
from OS 9, requiring a reboot (ugh).
Gerben
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Subject: TeXShop + external editor/invocation
From: "V. Vatsal"
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:02:27 -0700
Hi there,
I was wondering if there's a way to make TeXShop use an external editor
instead of the built in one. Alternatively, can one use TeXShop simply as =
a
front end to TeX, and as a previewer?
I notice that TeXShop seems to cache copies of open documents in memory -- =
this has the unfortunate consequence that you can open a .tex or .pdf file =
in another application, and change it while it's open in TeXShop. This can =
lead to rather unexpected behavior, because it's never clear exactly =
what's
on the disk at any given time, and you can lose all your changes by saving =
from the wrong application.
A nice feature for the next TeXShop would be an ability to detect that the =
file has changed on the disk.
Thanks in advance,
Nike V.
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Vinayak Vatsal
Department of Mathematics
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z2
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