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MacOSX-TeX Digest #122 - Friday, October 12, 2001
Re: New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Dan Rempel"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Michael A. Doncheski"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "James Owen"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "David R. Morrison"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] AppleScript support?
by "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Switching to TeXShop
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Ross Moore"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Bruno Voisin"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Niv Drory"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
by "Gerben Wierda"
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Subject: Re: New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Dan Rempel"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:17:56 -0700
Sorry if I'm not replying to the thread correctly; I'm mostly just a
listener on this list. Gerben asked if there were any other requests,
and I have one: is it possible to have the CJK package installed with OS
X teTeX?
Thanks for all your work,
Dan
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Michael A. Doncheski"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:21:01 -0400 (EDT)
On October 11, Gerben Wierda writes:
> Some of you may know of my teTeX distribution. As soon as I receive the
> 10.1 developer stuff, I will update the current release.
Thanks so much for your efforts! It's so nice to have a
complete, free version of TeX available!
> I'll have another go at replacing gs6.01 with gs6.50.
>
> I am wondering if there are other requests. And I am wondering if
> someone has already performed all the magic for the second one
> (fonts) above so that I can just run the necessary scripts on my
> system and add the results to the TeX distribution.
I currently have gs6.01 (from your teTeX distribution) and a
self-compiled gs6.50 (which includes XWindow support). The last
time I updated teTeX, it overwrote my gs binary, and I lost X
support. Reinstalling my version required a minor effort, but
it seems a waste to need two distict versions of gs. Is it
possible for you to include a gs binary compiled with XWindow
support? Do I even need to install your version of gs if I have
another working version?
Thanks again,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "James Owen"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:31:56 +0900
On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 05:21 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> Some of you may know of my teTeX distribution. As soon as I receive the
> 10.1 developer stuff, I will update the current release. Amongst
> others, the next release will:
> - include pdfslide package (+ java program to create pdf slides with
> pauses and such)
> - keep ~/Library/texmf out of the way where texhash is concerned
> - add margin kerning package by Han The Thanh
> These are done.
>
> I'll have another go at replacing gs6.01 with gs6.50.
>
> I am thinking about
> - adding bibtool
> - adding support for PostScript fonts that are available on Mac OS X.
>
> I am wondering if there are other requests. And I am wondering if
> someone has already performed all the magic for the second one (fonts)
> above so that I can just run the necessary scripts on my system and add
> the results to the TeX distribution.
>
>
Is it complicated to add in options for obvious teX variants, such as
RevTeX for all those of us writing papers for Phys. Rev. ? I only ask
because I had a slightly annoying time getting RevTeX4 in the right
places so that TeXShop would see it properly. They are also recommending
bibtex in RevTeX 4, so including that would certainly be a good thing.
James
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "David R. Morrison"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:46:51 -0400
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Enrico Franconi wrote:
> On October 11, Gerben Wierda writes:
> > Some of you may know of my teTeX distribution. As soon as I receive =
the
> > 10.1 developer stuff, I will update the current release.
>
> Is there any attempt to join the effort with the fink version
> (Maintainer: Jeffrey Whitaker )? It seems to me a
> waste of energy to have two distinct and slightly different
> distributions.
Jeff and I have been working on a revision of fink's teTeX which matches
Gerben's, and takes advantage of a number of improvements Gerben has
introduced. Our eventual goal is to construct a system in which users can
install teTeX using either fink or Gerben's installer, and be able to use
that copy with both TeXShop and with other fink programs.
>
> > I'll have another go at replacing gs6.01 with gs6.50.
>
> With fink I get gs 7.02.
>
The issue with ghostscript is this: Mac OS X's built-in pdf-display =
commands,
used by both TeXShop and Preview, do not correctly display the pdf files
produced by gs 7.02. (You must use Acrobat Reader to view such files.)
However, they do correctly display pdf files produced by gs 6.01. For
this reason, the upcoming new fink version of teTeX will be accompanied by
a downgraded version of ghostscript until such time as Apple fixes this
problem.
-- Dave
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] AppleScript support?
From: "Fredrik Wallenberg"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:19:42 -0700
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On Thursday, October 11, 2001, at 01:22 PM, William Adams wrote:
> Any idea if 10.1 will automagically enable AppleScript support for
> TeXShop?
>
All I know is that you cannot record an AS in TS. Don't know if that is
means that there is no support.
Fredrik
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On Thursday, October 11, 2001, at 01:22 PM, William Adams wrote:
Any idea if 10.1 will automagically enable AppleScript
support for TeXShop?
All I know is that you cannot record an AS in TS. Don't know if that
is means that there is no support.
Fredrik
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Switching to TeXShop
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:59:28 +0200
On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 12:27 , Hemant K. Bhargava wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I'm an Alpha-OzTeX user, have installed TeXShop/teTeX, and am
> considering
> switching (or at least trying it out). I've begun trying it out, but
> have
> some concerns, and I'd like to know if there are easy (easy enough)
> solutions.
>
> 1. Ease in customizing and extending installation.
>
> Mainly an issue with Packages: In my OzTeX installation, I've added
> several
> packages (most frequently used ones being:
> color, harvard, hyperref, psfrag, seminar, shading, XYpic
>
> I keep all the package files in a separate area, and declare the path to
> OzTeX. (I want to keep them separate from the base installation; that
> way
> moving to a new machine, or a new version of the program, is easy.)
> What is
> the analog in TeXShop?
This is in the teTeX.dmg readme. But in short:
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf is teTeX's base package, though a bit has
been updated by me for support for the latest pdfTeX
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.macosx is the tree where I put the stuff I
add/change
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local is the tree where you can put stuff
that will be available for all users on your machine
~/Library/texmf is the tree where each user can have his or her own stuff
These are searched in the reverse order I have put them here.
Note: these trees are not searched entirely for all programs. For
packages, sty etc, it is best to put them under a subdirectory called
'tex', so in you case I would use
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/ as the directory to put stuff in.
Note: if you put stuff in the first three, you have to run the texhash
command after you have added the files.
Note: currently, ~/Library/texmf also gets texhashed, this will change
in the future and then you can add stuff to you own ~/Library/texmf tree
and have it available without running texhash.
Note: An up-to-date hyperref is already part of my teTeX distribution.
> (I think many of these packages are already in the teTeX base
> installation,
> but then there will always be many more available outside. )
> 2. Maintaining user files and avoiding redundancy
>
> a. I have many file types that have "multiple use" e.g., my .bib files,
> .eps files, are used in multiple documents. So I store them in a
> separate
> area (so I have only one instance of each), rather than adjacent to the
> associated .tex files.
>
> In OzTeX I know how to set paths and tell OzTeX to look for the
> files ...
> is there a similar command for TeXshop/teTeX?
For each type, you can find out where teTeX looks for files with the
'kpsewhich' command. For .eps files, I get:
[dumbledore:~] gerben% kpsewhich -show-path=3D.eps
..:/Users/gerben/Library/texmf/tex/generic//:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf=
..
local/tex/generic//:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.os/tex/generic//:!!/usr/=
local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/generic//:/Users/gerben/Library/texmf/tex///:!!=
/usr/
local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex///:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.os/tex/=
//:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex///
As you can see, ~/Library/texmf/tex/generic is a good place for your
personal .eps files
[dumbledore:~] gerben% kpsewhich -show-path=3D.bib
..:/Users/gerben/Library/texmf/bibtex/bib//:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.=
local/bibtex/bib//:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.os/bibtex/bib//:!!/usr/lo=
cal/
teTeX/share/texmf/bibtex/bib//:/Users/gerben/Library/texmf/bibtex///:!!/usr=
/
local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/bibtex///:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.os/
bibtex///:!!/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/bibtex///
And ~/Library/texmf/bibtex/bib is a good place for personal .bib files.
I *strongly* advise (and will not support due to the complexities)
against changing teTeX paths. You can do that, but you will be on your
own. teTeX has a very complex and rich path mechanism which works pretty
good 'as is'.
>
> b. A similar thing occurs for many macro definition files, and I put
> these
> in a separate area. Same question as (a)
~/Library/texmf/tex
>
> 3. Generating PDF with *automatic-link generation*
> I use the hyperref package, and the resulting PDF file has hyperlinks
> corresponding to all the internal LaTeX cross-references. I can add
> additional links via hyperef's commands.
>
> In TeXshop, I notice that my PDF file does not have hyperlinks.
I think incomplete Apple PDF support is to blame for this one. I noticed
that links (url.sty) do work in Acrobat, but not in Apple Cocoa apps.
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:04:17 +0200
On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 01:50 , Enrico Franconi wrote:
> On October 11, Gerben Wierda writes:
>> Some of you may know of my teTeX distribution. As soon as I receive the
>> 10.1 developer stuff, I will update the current release.
>
> Is there any attempt to join the effort with the fink version
> (Maintainer: Jeffrey Whitaker )? It seems to me a
> waste of energy to have two distinct and slightly different
> distributions.
Fink will probably adopt my distribution.
>
>> I'll have another go at replacing gs6.01 with gs6.50.
>
> With fink I get gs 7.02.
With gs 7 you get PDF that does not display well in certain cases on Mac
OS X 10.1 (and 10.0.4 for that matter). Hence the fact that I use gs 6.
Latest is not by definition best.
>
>> I am wondering if there are other requests. And I am wondering if
>> someone has already performed all the magic for the second one
>> (fonts) above so that I can just run the necessary scripts on my
>> system and add the results to the TeX distribution.
>
> My request would be to see it "finked"
I am talking with the fink people for a solution. I disagree with
certain aspects of the fink setup, but we are working on a solution in a
positive way.
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:05:00 +0200
On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 02:17 , Dan Rempel wrote:
> Sorry if I'm not replying to the thread correctly; I'm mostly just a
> listener on this list. Gerben asked if there were any other requests,
> and I have one: is it possible to have the CJK package installed with
> OS X teTeX?
What is CJK and what does it do? And where can I get it?
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Ross Moore"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:16:41 +1000 (EST)
> On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 02:17 , Dan Rempel wrote:
>
> > Sorry if I'm not replying to the thread correctly; I'm mostly just a
> > listener on this list. Gerben asked if there were any other requests,
> > and I have one: is it possible to have the CJK package installed with
> > OS X teTeX?
>
> What is CJK and what does it do? And where can I get it?
Chinese-Japanese-Korean
I'll let you envisage for yourself what this can mean,
in terms of font-support !
Do a search on CJK at CTAN: http://www.ctan.org/search/
All the best,
Ross Moore
> Gerben
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:09:08 +0200
On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 02:31 , James Owen wrote:
> Is it complicated to add in options for obvious teX variants, such as
> RevTeX for all those of us writing papers for Phys. Rev. ? I only ask
> because I had a slightly annoying time getting RevTeX4 in the right
> places so that TeXShop would see it properly. They are also
> recommending bibtex in RevTeX 4, so including that would certainly be a
> good thing.
>
For all you people asking me to add stuff: please add where I can find
it.
For placing stuff so that teTeX can find it, see one of my previous
posts.
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:07:59 +0200
On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 02:21 , Michael A. Doncheski wrote:
> it seems a waste to need two distict versions of gs. Is it
> possible for you to include a gs binary compiled with XWindow
> support?
I won't support X (or MS for that matter) windows. I am keeping my
systems X-free and therefore will not be able to compile in X-support.
> Do I even need to install your version of gs if I have
> another working version?
No.
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Bruno Voisin"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:26:37 +0200
>> Is it complicated to add in options for obvious teX variants, such as
>> RevTeX for all those of us writing papers for Phys. Rev. ? I only ask
>> because I had a slightly annoying time getting RevTeX4 in the right
>> places so that TeXShop would see it properly. They are also
>> recommending bibtex in RevTeX 4, so including that would certainly be
>> a good thing.
>>
>
> For all you people asking me to add stuff: please add where I can find
> it.
http://publish.aps.org/revtex4/
(but I don't use REVTeX myself, I'll do when I'll start writing papers
for Physics of Fluids).
Thanks for all your work.
Bruno Voisin
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Niv Drory"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:31:52 +0200 (MEST)
First of all, thanks a lot for the teTeX work! Great to have a binary
distribution at hand.
As for requests for the next version, I'd love to see the installation of
gs to be optional, as I (like many others) have my own gs (7.01) with X11
support.
(By the way, does a standard teTeX source tree compile on OS X? Is it much
of a hassle to get it to work? This might be interesting for many of us
unixish people who prefer tetex,emacs,xdvi)
Cheers,
Niv
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] New teTeX.dmg in the works
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:02:15 +0200
On Friday, October 12, 2001, at 11:31 , Niv Drory wrote:
> As for requests for the next version, I'd love to see the installation
> of
> gs to be optional, as I (like many others) have my own gs (7.01) with
> X11
> support.
As mentioned before: it is optional already and yes you can use your own
gs 7, but note that it produces pdf that is sometimes incompatible with
Apple's PDF implementation (when you have a combination of pk and pfb
fonts).
> (By the way, does a standard teTeX source tree compile on OS X? Is it
> much
> of a hassle to get it to work? This might be interesting for many of us
> unixish people who prefer tetex,emacs,xdvi)
>
ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/macosx/tex-gs/ contains all my stuff
including sources I use and complete instructions on how to build your
own.
The main problem is that the standard teTeX tree is old, and that the
pdfTeX it contains might be considered antique. This leads to having a
setup with two different web2c implementations.
I would advise at this moment against compiling your own using those
patches. As soon as 10.1 developer arrives here I'll be tuning that
stuff there and probably simplifying it (less diffs, more auto*).
Gerben
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