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MacOSX-TeX Digest #111 - Saturday, September 29, 2001
TeXShop and Mac OS X 10.1
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and Mac OS X 10.1
by "Richard Koch"
Using Unix software with the terminal?
by "Bob Strain"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Using Unix software with the terminal?
by "Ross Moore"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and tex/gs (again)
by "Gerben Wierda"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Julien Letessier"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Paulo Abreu"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Hemant Bhargava"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and Mac OS X 10.1
by
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Jon Guyer"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Jon Guyer"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Gary L. Gray"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Paulo Abreu"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and tex/gs (again)
by "Arun Mangalam"
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
by "Hemant Bhargava"
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Subject: TeXShop and Mac OS X 10.1
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:13:54 -0400
I installed Mac OS X 10.1 today and TeXShop continues to work as
before. That is, no problems so far.
I will say that 10.1 is an amazing improvement over 10.0.4.
Applications really do launch many times faster (it seems like it is
more than the 2-3 times that Apple claims). It also includes a new
version of Acrobat Reader, though I haven't noticed any substantial
differences yet. In addition, everything feels snappier. I used to
dislike working in Eudora 5.1b16 and now it is VERY usable. It is
like using a complete new operating system.
I recommend that you run, don't walk, to find the 10.1 upgrade.
Regarding David Wagner's question:
At 4:27 PM -0500 9/27/01, David Wagner wrote:
>If any of you have upgraded to Mac OS X 10.1, I would like to know if TeX
>runs any faster.
>
>You might report the output from something like
>Prompt> time tex myfile.tex
>
>executed from Terminal, from both versions of OS X.
Unfortunately, I did run this test under 10.0.4, so now I am afraid
that any results I report would be meaningless.
Best regards,
--
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Associate Professor
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and Mac OS X 10.1
From: "Richard Koch"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:35:59 -0700
Folks,
I believe there are two small TeXShop problem in Mac OS 10.1:
a) If you hit the magnify button on the preview window more than once,
the preview display stops working
b) TeXShop no longer adds a ".tex" extension to source
files. This creates problems when you try to double click a source
file unless you configure the system to open all text files with TeXShop
(an unlikely choice!)
The first problem is already fixed and I'm working on the second one.
I hope to have a new version on the web this weekend.
Dick
koch@math.uoregon.edu
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Subject: Using Unix software with the terminal?
From: "Bob Strain"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:19:31 -0400
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry if this is off topic, but I don't know where else to turn to ask
>> this question.
>>
>> How amenable to using unix software with OSX 10.0.4 or 10.1 is the
>> Terminal program? For example, is it possible to run MATLAB 6.0 for
>> the
>> UNIX in the terminal?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob Strain
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Using Unix software with the terminal?
From: "Ross Moore"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:49:11 +1000 (EST)
>
>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Sorry if this is off topic, but I don't know where else to turn to =
ask
> >> this question.
It is off-topic, but I'll field this anyway.
> >>
> >> How amenable to using unix software with OSX 10.0.4 or 10.1 is the
> >> Terminal program? For example, is it possible to run MATLAB 6.0 for
> >> the
> >> UNIX in the terminal?
No. You need a version of MATLAB compiled to run on a Macintosh,
with MacOS X. This does not exist.
I've just been to the Apple Universities Developer Conference
(in Townsville, Australia) where this question was asked several
times.
Apple's answer is "contact MathWorks and ask them to do it".
More forcefully: it needs pressure from users to get them to
do the work. Apple wants it, as do many mathematicians/scientists;
but the message needs to get through to MathWorks Inc.
Contact them via their site: www.mathworks.com .
Hope this helps,
Ross Moore
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Bob Strain
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and tex/gs (again)
From: "Gerben Wierda"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:05:42 +0200
On Saturday, September 29, 2001, at 01:39 AM, Andrew J. Miller wrote:
>>> I have noticed that if I start TeXShop by clicking (i.e. Finder or
>>> Dock), tex-ghostscript typesetting does not work for me (nothing
>>> happens at all). If I, however, start TeXShop from the terminal, e.g.
>>> by typing "open file.tex", tex-ghostscript works just fine. This
>>> seems to support the theory about .cshrc-strangeness. It may also be
>>> a less awkward "solution" to the problem than editing the .cshrc file
>>> (until this bug is fixed...).
Question: do people who have installed TeX from the TeXSGInstaller (from
the TeXShop page or from frp.nluug.nl) experience this problem? I
suspect not.
The answer to this question is a) that this is nota bug in TeXShop and
b) that it has to do with paths. The TeXGSInstaller adds binary and
manpath settings to the tcsh global initialization. Since this is the
login shell for users (unless they have changed this to something like
bash, but in that case they should know that they have to move settings
over as well), the correct paths are available for all applications, cli
or gui.
I think something like this might happen if you use fink to install TeX
(since it has some specific ideas about paths and such).
Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Julien Letessier"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:43:28 +0200
le 29/09/01 0:07, Gary L. Gray =E0 gray@engr.psu.edu a =E9crit=A0:
> Francesco Costanzo and I have come up with a nice little method for
> labelling graphics for those of you using TeXShop and Illustrator.
> Many of you may already be aware of this method, but we had not seen
> it before. Here is a .tex file that you can simply typeset to get the
> procedure. If you don't want to typeset it, you can simply decipher
> the LaTeX.
[snip]
Another, though somewhat heavier (in terms of resulting .ps or .pdf file
size) way of having 'pretty' labels in your included graphics is to use the
TeX/Illustrator Fonts, available at
http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/fonts/TeX-Illustrator.sit
(thanks to Mr. Gray)
Of course, this only works if you don't need complex, formula-filled typese=
t
labels...
--=20
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ENSIMAG student 36 cours Berriat ICQ# 113401566
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Paulo Abreu"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:49:33 +0100
Gary L. Gray wrote:
>Francesco Costanzo and I have come up with a nice little method for
>labelling graphics for those of you using TeXShop and Illustrator.
>Many of you may already be aware of this method, but we had not seen
>it before. Here is a .tex file that you can simply typeset to get the
>procedure. If you don't want to typeset it, you can simply decipher
>the LaTeX.
Sorry, but this seems like just too much work. Doesn't psfrag do the
trick?
I have been working with psfrag for a few years now. Right now
I'm in the middle of a book with +/-800 ps graphics from matlab. I
started by opening the ps, changing the text labels so that psfrab could
read them (simple strings in Courier) and saving as eps. Now, after
learning a bit about matlab's graphic features, I can create the labels
(title, tick marks, etc) in a form understandable by psfrag directly
from matlab. I don't think your method is really an improvement.
Paulo
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Hemant Bhargava"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:10:18 -0400
I use psfrag too -- haven't come across anything I couldn't do with it.
(psfrag allows you to replace "labels" in the graphics file with arbitrary =
LaTeX commands.) And the beauty of it is that you are in LaTeX all the =
time.
- Hemant
--On Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:49 +0100 Paulo Abreu
wrote:
> Gary L. Gray wrote:
>> Francesco Costanzo and I have come up with a nice little method for
>> labelling graphics for those of you using TeXShop and Illustrator.
>> Many of you may already be aware of this method, but we had not seen
>> it before. Here is a .tex file that you can simply typeset to get the
>> procedure. If you don't want to typeset it, you can simply decipher
>> the LaTeX.
>
> Sorry, but this seems like just too much work. Doesn't psfrag do the
> trick?
>
> I have been working with psfrag for a few years now. Right now
> I'm in the middle of a book with +/-800 ps graphics from matlab. I
> started by opening the ps, changing the text labels so that psfrab could
> read them (simple strings in Courier) and saving as eps. Now, after
> learning a bit about matlab's graphic features, I can create the labels
> (title, tick marks, etc) in a form understandable by psfrag directly
> from matlab. I don't think your method is really an improvement.
>
> Paulo
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and Mac OS X 10.1
From:
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:57:50 +0900
On Saturday, September 29, 2001, at 09:35 AM, Richard Koch wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I believe there are two small TeXShop problem in Mac OS 10.1:
>
> a) If you hit the magnify button on the preview window more than once,
> the preview display stops working
>
> b) TeXShop no longer adds a ".tex" extension to source
> files. This creates problems when you try to double click a source
> file unless you configure the system to open all text files with TeXShop
> (an unlikely choice!)
>
>
Are you sure you don't have extension hiding switched on?
(Just checking.)
James
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:19:35 -0400
On 9/29/01 at 12:43 PM +0200, Julien Letessier wrote:
>Another, though somewhat heavier (in terms of resulting .ps or .pdf file
>size) way of having 'pretty' labels in your included graphics is to use =
the
>TeX/Illustrator Fonts, available at
>
>http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/fonts/TeX-Illustrator.sit
>
>(thanks to Mr. Gray)
>Of course, this only works if you don't need complex, formula-filled =
typeset
>labels...
Unfortunately, these fonts do not fix all the problems with
Illustrator and TeX fonts. That is why we came up with this little
procedure.
--
Gary L. Gray
Associate Professor
Engineering Science & Mechanics
Penn State University
(814) 863-1778
http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:20:34 -0400
On 9/29/01 at 11:49 AM +0100, Paulo Abreu wrote:
>Sorry, but this seems like just too much work. Doesn't psfrag do the
>trick?
>
>I have been working with psfrag for a few years now. Right now
>I'm in the middle of a book with +/-800 ps graphics from matlab. I
>started by opening the ps, changing the text labels so that psfrab could
>read them (simple strings in Courier) and saving as eps. Now, after
>learning a bit about matlab's graphic features, I can create the labels
>(title, tick marks, etc) in a form understandable by psfrag directly
>from matlab. I don't think your method is really an improvement.
I don't know what psfrag is, but if it only allows simply strings in
Courier, then we want MUCH more than that. You see we want to put
mathematics in the labels using the TeX fonts themselves. We could
easily put Courier labels on the graphics with Illustrator -- the
problem arises when we want to include TeX fonts. Our procedure seems
to fix this problem.
--
Gary L. Gray
Associate Professor
Engineering Science & Mechanics
Penn State University
(814) 863-1778
http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:23:21 -0400
On 9/29/01 at 8:10 AM -0400, Hemant Bhargava wrote:
>I use psfrag too -- haven't come across anything I couldn't do with
>it. (psfrag allows you to replace "labels" in the graphics file with
>arbitrary LaTeX commands.) And the beauty of it is that you are in
>LaTeX all the time.
It sounds like it is worth looking at -- where can we find psfrag?
How portable is it? That is, if I send the figure to a publisher, I
assume that the fonts will not be in the figure itself. Portability
is rather important for us since we need to be able to exchange
figures in manuscripts with a number of people.
Thank you,
--
Gary L. Gray
Associate Professor
Engineering Science & Mechanics
Penn State University
(814) 863-1778
http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:31:47 -0400
At 10:20 AM -0400 9/29/01, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>I don't know what psfrag is, but if it only allows simply strings in
>Courier
Ack! psfrag is an extremely powerful tool for labelling figures with TeX.
Get thee to CTAN.
--
Jonathan E. Guyer
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Jon Guyer"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:34:04 -0400
At 10:23 AM -0400 9/29/01, Gary L. Gray wrote:
As with all things TeX, if it ain't on your page it's on CTAN.
>How portable is it? That is, if I send the figure to a publisher, I
>assume that the fonts will not be in the figure itself. Portability
>is rather important for us since we need to be able to exchange
>figures in manuscripts with a number of people.
You can do a prepass run to label the figures with TeX and then send
those to your publisher.
--
Jonathan E. Guyer
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Gary L. Gray"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:43:45 -0400
On 9/29/01 at 10:34 AM -0400, Jon Guyer wrote:
>As with all things TeX, if it ain't on your page it's on CTAN.
>
>>How portable is it? That is, if I send the figure to a publisher, I
>>assume that the fonts will not be in the figure itself. Portability
>>is rather important for us since we need to be able to exchange
>>figures in manuscripts with a number of people.
>
>You can do a prepass run to label the figures with TeX and then send
>those to your publisher.
Egad! I don't know how you all can keep up with all of this. Just
when I think I am becoming aware of most of what's out there, 20
people tell me that there is this tool that has been around since the
Dark Ages that does exactly what I need. :-) Thank you for the info.
Off to CTAN ...
--
Gary L. Gray
Associate Professor
Engineering Science & Mechanics
Penn State University
(814) 863-1778
http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Paulo Abreu"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:16:43 +0100
Gary L. Gray wrote:
>I don't know what psfrag is, but if it only allows simply strings in
>Courier, then we want MUCH more than that. You see we want to put
>mathematics in the labels using the TeX fonts themselves. We could
>easily put Courier labels on the graphics with Illustrator -- the
>problem arises when we want to include TeX fonts. Our procedure seems
>to fix this problem.
The link to psfrag is:
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/psfrag.html
I didn't explain more about psfrag because I didn't know if you knew
already waht it was or not.
psfrag is a (La)TeX macro package. You place some text in the eps file,
and psfrag replaces it with TeX. psfrag uses TeX to parse the eps file
and to substitute the strings. That's why I mentioned the Courier font.
These text tags must be in some font where no kern info comes, otherwise
the string is not found in by TeX. I guess any fixed with font does the
trick.
Any TeX replacement is allowed, and you can control the placement and
the rotation of the replacement.
>How portable is it? That is, if I send the figure to a publisher, I
>assume that the fonts will not be in the figure itself. Portability
>is rather important for us since we need to be able to exchange
>figures in manuscripts with a number of people.
This is an important issue. The 'original' eps will will not have the
correct typeset material. Besides, you can not use pdftex, because
psfrag doesn't work with pdf files. I think VTeX does work, but I'm not =
sure.
You usually need the dvi-ps-pdf process.
However, these are not really limitations, because they are easy to
overcome: if you create a ps file from a TeX+psfrag file, this ps file
will have the correct typeset material. You can easely create a eps or
pdf from it and send it. It still seems less effort then your method,
even more when the original eps needs several editings.
I hope this is enough for you to go and check it. It might not be
exactly what you need, but it sure is a good alternative.
Paulo
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] TeXShop and tex/gs (again)
From: "Arun Mangalam"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:56:37 -0400
Hello Gerben,
The problem is exhibited whether you use Fink or the TeXInstaller with
TeXShop [or any MacOSX application that uses shell scripts]. What
happens is that variables are not expanded or mangled up when scripts
try to run. There are two solutions to this:
1. Let the User read Apple's new documentation on Environment Variables
to set paths and environmental vars as one would with .[t]cshrc files.
http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2001/qa1067.html
2. Have the application be aware of the paths directly (either by static
or dynamic code).
This is at least what I have observed.
The following is an e-mail from Richard Koch giving specific
instructions to set paths:
> Following your advice, I managed to get environmental variables
> recognized
> in TeXShop. Here's what I did.
>
> a) I created a hidden directory in my home directory named
>
> .OpenStep
>
> b) I placed the file included below, environment, in this directory.
> This file sets the
> variable TEXINPUTS to
>
> :.:~/TeX
>
> (The leading ":" is very important; without it tetex cannot
> find system files. You will want to edit "environment" to change ~/TeX
> to
> what you want.)
>
> c) I logged out and back in. This step is necessary whenever the
> "environment" file
> is changed.
>
> After that, TeXShop could find include files in ~/TeX.
>
> According to the developer note, the hidden directory is .OpenStep in
> 10.0.4, but will be .MacOSX in 10.1.
I haven't yet tried it out, but I will really soon when I finish with my
research. :)
- Arun
On Saturday, September 29, 2001, at 06:05 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> Question: do people who have installed TeX from the TeXSGInstaller
> (from the TeXShop page or from frp.nluug.nl) experience this problem? I
> suspect not.
>
> The answer to this question is a) that this is nota bug in TeXShop and
> b) that it has to do with paths. The TeXGSInstaller adds binary and
> manpath settings to the tcsh global initialization. Since this is the
> login shell for users (unless they have changed this to something like
> bash, but in that case they should know that they have to move settings
> over as well), the correct paths are available for all applications,
> cli or gui.
>
> I think something like this might happen if you use fink to install TeX
> (since it has some specific ideas about paths and such).
>
> Gerben
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] labelling graphics using TeXShop/Illustrator
From: "Hemant Bhargava"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:02:43 -0400
Gary -
My current TeX system relies SOOO much on your LaTeX/Mac pages at PSU. So
it makes me more than happy to return some help. Let me know if I can =
help
with any of the details.
I use Alpha-OzTeX, create .eps files anywhere, use psfrag to substitute
complex LaTeX labels, then run OzTeX's dvips, then distill the file to get =
my .pdf. As someone else mentioned psfrag has features for label =
alignment,
rotation etc.
The only thing I haven't quite figured out here is where to place the
psfrag.pro file. In general, I'm able to place all package files in
separate areas from the base OzTeX installation, but in this case nothing
has worked, and I'm forced to put the psfrag.pro as follows:
OzTeX/TeX/dvips/inputs/psfrag.pro
Anyone have advice on this issue?
- Hemant
***********************************************************************
Hemant K. Bhargava, Penn State University (Tel: 814-865-6253)
Professor, Management Science and Information Systems
http://www.smeal.psu.edu/~bhargava/General/contact.html
***********************************************************************
--On Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:23 -0400 "Gary L. Gray"
wrote:
> On 9/29/01 at 8:10 AM -0400, Hemant Bhargava wrote:
>
>> I use psfrag too -- haven't come across anything I couldn't do with
>> it. (psfrag allows you to replace "labels" in the graphics file with
>> arbitrary LaTeX commands.) And the beauty of it is that you are in
>> LaTeX all the time.
>
> It sounds like it is worth looking at -- where can we find psfrag? How
> portable is it? That is, if I send the figure to a publisher, I assume
> that the fonts will not be in the figure itself. Portability is rather
> important for us since we need to be able to exchange figures in
> manuscripts with a number of people.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Gary L. Gray
> Associate Professor
> Engineering Science & Mechanics
> Penn State University
> (814) 863-1778
> http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/
>
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